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Terrence Jones

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Realjad, Oct 22, 2014.

  1. Corrosion

    Corrosion Member

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    The bold part is the only argument you get from me in that post as Jones is why / where the ball gets sticky (Other than when Harden decides to dribble for 20 seconds).

    He has had very good stretches in every game thus far but has also had very poor stretches , that first three quarters in Utah & just 3 rebounds for the game .....
    He's got to become more consistent because when Jones plays well , that team is near impossible to stop on the offensive end.
     
  2. Remii

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    I disagree with that because as I said in a previous post _ do you remember the New York game last year when Andrea guarded him one on one for the entire game...??? His offense seems to come and go...

    Also, who is he being doubled by...? It's not like there's a girth of big bodies he has to deal with like Shaq had to. A guard or small forward crashing down on him should not be an excuse for a center who has the title of the best big man on the planet but yet that is the excuse you guys seem to lean on.

    I'm just not in the business on dumping on a young player like TJ because our $20 million a year center is lacking on the offensive end.
     
  3. YOLO

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    so all the best players in the world dominate every single night, the whole entire season?
     
  4. tycoonchip

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    At 28 29 which supposed to be the prime of your career and getting paid max dollar....Yes! That's why we brought him here. He's supposed to dominate.
     
  5. Htownballer38

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    I said most not all Remii.

    And yet teams are doubling him like he is this explosive unstoppable post player. Didn't you not see the 76ers fronting him and T. Jones's man waiting on the lob.

    Yes you bring the double from various position. One minute you might bring the guard, next the small forward and sometimes the Power forward.

    Hey that title comes from his peers and players that played the game before.
     
  6. finsraider

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    The Howard post-up should be situational. There are some guys he does well against, and others he struggles with.

    The post up is not the "running play" of basketball. Having a guy that can post up does not "set up" your offense like a good running game in football. It is just one tool in the arsenal.
     
  7. Htownballer38

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    Anothr thing Remii if Howard would hit at least 75% of his free throws. He would easily score 25+ game. That's the only part of his game that works my nerves.
     
  8. YOLO

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    does lebron dominate every single night?
     
  9. Sydeffect

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    How can one dominate when he doesn't get the ball?
     
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    What a hoot! Hakeem screamed and cursed during games incessantly when guys like Sleepy Floyd clogged up the paint on him. And that was the primary why Robert Horry wound up his PF and guys like Kenny Smith wound up his PG instead of Floyd and Larry Smith.
     
  11. Remii

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    When you have a shady post game and can't step away from the basket _ that makes him easy to defend... There's not a good center who hasn't had to deal with what you speak of. And the funny thing is Harden is the guy on the team that defenses fear the most which should be an advantage for Howard.

    Agree with your statement about the free throws though. That would help a lot.
     
  12. Remii

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    No of course not. But what's wrong with expecting a max contract player to be consistent like the other max contract player on the team...

    Oh, so are you saying Dream wasn't dominate before he got Horry...??? I also remember Otis being on the court with him often too... But you keep making excuses.
     
  13. Remii

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    Fixed....
     
  14. dobro1229

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    Serious question... what are you really expecting from a max contract player in today's NBA?


    Do Amare, Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, and Rudy Gay dominate every night? Do they do anything consistently that has more value than what Dwight brings every night or does Dwight's protection of the paint, rebounding, offensive rebounding, the ability to get the opposing team's bigs in foul trouble, and shot blocking not mean anything?

    Could Sacramento not replace what Rudy Gay does consistently easier than the Rockets could replace what Dwight does consistently?? Could the Rockets replace what Dwight Howard brings easier than the Nets could replace what Deron Williams does every night?


    I think you are dead wrong here based on your premise that Dwight isn't consistent. You are looking at Dwight with Tunnel Vision and judging his impact based on some crazy notion that he's supposed to impact the game by scoring 30PPG along with 15 rebounds and 4 blocks. You sound like Shaq which isn't a complement. I think you are smarter than that so please don't get offended when I say you are just being stubborn about this.

    Dwight is extremely consistent with the way he impacts the game. Not necessarily in scoring the ball (which seems to be all you care about), but teams in the modern NBA pay big bucks to have their center just protect the paint and rebound 70 to 80% of how Dwight does.

    Dwight's impact offensively, beautiful or not, impacts the game on a nightly basis, and its clear as day to see how teams adjust their entire gameplan around his presence. Its crazy to think that a team that has James Harden on it actually has a team they are playing against adjusting their defensive strategy to account for Dwight just as much if not more than Harden.

    If you hate Dwight, that's ok. Just come out and say that you aren't a fan of his game like Bill Simmons does honestly. Its ok. I didn't love Patrick Ewing's game, Karl Malone's game, or even Tim Duncan's game in his early days. Still, I can at least be honest about what they are good at, and give them some sort of credit even if I despise actually watching them play basketball.
     
  15. HMMMHMM

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    Not sure why y'all are talking about Dwight's post game in relation to Jones' not spacing the floor.
    You don't need four 3-point shooters to create good post spacing.

    Jones' lack of shooting is a wayyyyy bigger concern as it relates to ball-screens and guys attacking gaps.

    First of all, you're one-dimensional with a Jones-Howard front-line, in that all you ball-screens are rolls. At least that's how teams can defend it -- even if Jones is popping or "replacing" -- because he isn't able to make teams pay from the outside.

    So, if you have Jones spot up, pop or replace, good teams will just help off him -- obviously resulting in less space for Harden to attack and not as clear lanes for Dwight to roll/dive towards the rim. Same thing if you keep Jones near the rim. He's clogging the lane that Harden is driving and Dwight is rolling to.
    That's where Jones' lack of shooting is or at the very least could be a killer, not on Dwight's post-ups, which, no matter if surrounded by 3 or 4 shooters, never will be the Rockets' bread-and-butter.
     
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  16. Remii

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    Well, actually I expect Howard to be able to average around 25 points per game (give or take a couple of points)... Why is that so much to ask for a guy of his stature...???

    Great defensive player no doubt. But Asik was a very good defender, problem is when he was starting he was the only person playing defense.


    I'm not too sure about that. Offensively Harden is on a different level. He's priority #1. With or without Howard this would still be a good offensive team.

    Don't get criticism confused with hate Mr Dobro... This conversation started because all I said is Howard needs to up his post game. And it seems some of you have a problem with that.
     
  17. RedRedemption

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    TJones is out today.
    Black still out and Bev will play.
     
  18. basketballholic

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    Those are all legit points that I have made in the past. We can't run pick-and-pop with Terrence because all that happens is he holds the ball at the top while the D just fades off into the paint daring him to shoot. And he sure isn't taking that PnP shot, and therefore the ball stops and nobody gets open.
     
  19. DrNuegebauer

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    Can you provide us with 10 examples of times in games where the defence has 'just left him open and faded back into the paint'?

    It simply doesn't happen. They stand out and guard him, because he attacks the hoop if they don't.

    To comment on games, you must first watch the games.
    You probably do watch all the games, which makes your inane ramblings on most things basketball related all the more sad...
     
  20. daywalker02

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    What is wrong with TJ tonight? Sorry missed that
     

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