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Terrence Jones

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Realjad, Oct 22, 2014.

  1. crash5179

    crash5179 Contributing Member

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    You can toss in some of the greatest Power Forwards of all time. Elvin Hayes for one.
     
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    sciola's 6-9 and was described as undersized by the rockets broadcast team.

    all teams want that two way playmaking 6-9 SF.
     
  3. Htownballer38

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    Dwight guarded him at that time. Asik was on Lopez. When D12 went to the bench Asik guarded him.
     
  4. DrNuegebauer

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    a) Rockets broadcasting team are hardly the epitome of NBA knowledge.... they are struggle central!
     
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    Whoops - I was going to add (b) Scola short arms and floor bound - but I didn't think it was warranted after the first point!
     
  6. Htownballer38

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    He dominates LMA, Milsap, Griffin, Bosh, and whoever else you puts on him.
     
  7. crash5179

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    Karl Malone was just 6'9" and never described as undersized
     
  8. HMMMHMM

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    He puts up some nice stats, sure, but does he actually make much of an impact?

    I'm not as down on Jones as basketballholic -- there's a lot to like, in particular Jones' fit in an up-tempo system combined with his room for growth, but also his finishing ability and offensive rebound prowess.

    Still, you gotta realize that Harden, Howard and the Rockets style of play have a lot do with Jones putting up those numbers.
    You can't help but wonder just how potent the Rockets offense would be with an actually capable shooting PF, who's similarly good or better at the facets of the game that Jones' excels at (Paul Millsap).

    Upgrading the PG spot may be more important, but even if you do so, the fact that Jones can't really shoot could still be a killer come playoff time.
     
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    Solid game tonight by D. Mo. Jones didn't really have it. That's what we need. Somebody that can come in and pick things up when needed. He looked like he belonged. Not a lot of points, but he did the little things.
     
  10. mfastx

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    I agree that TJones had a poor game, but I thought DMo was pretty bad as well. Made poor decisions on offense and couldn't hold on to the damn ball. Could have had like 15 rebounds lol.
     
  11. Carl Herrera

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    Remember Terrence is also darker than some of the other PFs, which makes him look smaller than he really is. Terrence would look 10 feet tall if he had DMo's skin tone.
     
  12. snowconeman22

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    If dmo could have had 15 , what does that say about jones and his 4 . Dmo maybe could have held on to a few more , but he was extremely active on the glass and if he keeps it up ... More of those 50/50 rebounds will fall his way. Right now the only thing Jones clearly has over dmo is athletisicm and hands/ finishing ability. Dmo played very within himself tonight and looked outstanding on defense . Theoretically as he gets more reps he will get better at finishing .

    To me I loved when he ran pick and roll with James . There was one time where he got the pass , dribbled the ball then got tripled teamed and fouled. Our commentators said that he should have observed the defense and passed ... Definitely not dribbled. Then the very next time he ran p and r with James he got the pass , then found ariza who found Canaan . It was beautiful ball movement and an example of a quick adjustment . Dmo just needs more reps and he can play like this and better every time .
     
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    Neither player is spreading the floor around Dwight. We're getting away with it against these lottery teams. May even get away with it against the Heat since we don't know what they are quite yet. But against the WC playoff powerhouses and the top teams in the East we won't get away with it.

    Dwight needs space. Even more than Harden, Dwight needs space. We cannot win a championship without it.
     
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    Dwight should know when to roll with the Pick and Roll and do something with the space instead of losing the ball.
     
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    A few times last season our offense was stagnant in the 1st and Jones kept us in those games. When Dwight missed a few games last season Jones stepped his game up. So yes sir he can impact a few games.

    We have plenty of shooters so im not worried about Jones's shooting woes. All he needs to do is play solid defense, rebound and be the clean up man( hustle man).
     
  16. dobro1229

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    The Rockets are leading the league in 3's taken, and 3's made so far. How can someone knowledgeable in the NBA claim that Harden and Howard aren't getting space, and then blame Terrence Jones for that?

    I mean do folks here not watch the games and just makeup their own narrative? I hope this is just a CSN Houston thing and some of you guys are able to watch the games enough to realize how off you are.

    .................
    Last night the Sixers made a bold strategy of giving up the 3 point shot to suck in sometimes 3 defenders on Dwight. Noel was pestering him by fronting him which the other big helped. Sometimes even 3 guys were on top of Dwight. Also Brown made adjustments after the 1st quarter to really do a better job of keeping Jones off the offensive glass. Something that has been very underrated about his season thus far.

    Even if Jones would have shot the ball and made say 38% of his shots, it wouldn't have mattered. There was a BETTER shot available with Ariza, Harden, and Canaan on the perimeter, and you WANT Jones to help on the offensive glass to get extra possessions. You don't want Jones shooting the 3 because he's necessarily a bad shooter. You want him not shooting 3's because A. There is a better shot available most of the time, and B. Because he's more useful going for an offensive rebound when a shot does go up.

    Also defensively, the corners are the longest spots to get back from on the defensive end when a team (like the Sixers) try to get out and run on the defensive rebound. As much as we'd all love a PF who just spots up in the corners, having one that actually can get back on the defensive end probably has some sort of impact to consider.

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    Guys the Rockets are getting space from having the threat of shooting. If you say otherwise, you don't know what you are talking about. Everyone that gameplans against the Rockets will make a decision on what they want to give up. Either the team defense sucks in the paint and gives up 3's (if you move the ball, you can find the best shooters), or they stay out on the perimeter and switch everything in order to protect the 3, and Dwight should be able to get off anything he wants in the paint.
     
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    He has no space dude.They're collapsing on him as soon as he catches it.

    You have to understand that to maximize Dwight in the paint you gotta have 3 or 4 guys spotting up outside that are actually a threat to catch and shoot. Dwight is not Hakeem and never will be. He cannot toss aside double teams and split multiple defenders. He is a basic power post player. And if it's him one-on-one in the paint he can dominate most every single defender with his power moves and hook shots, etc. But to do that you've got to have great shooters in the corners and on the wings. When we run Terrence and DMo out there. ......... they aren't willing, nor have they proven able of standing in one spot while Dwight operates. Both guys are constantly drifting in to the free throw area or cutting down the lane, etc. and that is mostly due to the fact that their defenders have already drifted into the lane area, conjesting the space and obscuring Dwight's vision. Because the defenses do not respect DMo's nor Terrence's shooting out there. So those guys wind up moving down to the FT line and low block just so Dwight can see them for a passing angle because the D is stacked up on him. Hence those guys get some garbage put backs and little dink dunks and layups and it looks good on the stat sheet.

    But all those numbers get watered down too much when we play the double giants in the West and Chicago in the East.

    For this team to win anything Dwight has to average north of 19/12 with a shooting percentage approaching 60% for the season.
     
  18. Remii

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    Howard better develop a freakin post game... I'm tiered of people making excuses for this dude.
     
  19. Htownballer38

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    Howard has been in the league for how long Remii? Exactly, so you are not going to get your wish. What Howard really need is to develop is an outside jumper. If he was able to hit a 10-15 ft jumper then players wouldn't beat up on the man as much. As you can see, (not making up any excuse) the refs are allowing players to be extra aggressive against him.

    Spacing is not an excuse either. The Rockets do have to do better with their spacing and passing the ball in the paint. It's been plenty of times Howard had his man sealed deep into the paint and they couldn't get him the ball. I bet if we had CP3, Howard production would a lot better. IMO of course.
     
  20. basketballholic

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    Howard has a developed post game. There won't be substantial improvement in his post game going forward, only small, incremental improvement. And banking on Dwight to all of a sudden "develop a post game" that he simply doesn't have at this stage of his career is even more laughable and stupid than expecting Terrence and DMo to exhibit substantial improvement in their 3-point shooting. That's not how you win a championship.

    The way to win a championship is to put guys on the court whose skill sets complement one another and cover each players weaknesses so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

    We know James and Dwight are our main guys. That means we need:

    1. Strong defenders at the 1 and 3 to complement and cover James

    2. Another playmaker that is ultra-efficient with his turnovers in relation to his assists so that James and Dwight don't have to handle the basketball as much since they are both high turnover players

    3. Shooters at the 3 and 4 spots to keep the largest opponent defenders away from Dwight and James.
     

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