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Tell me again why we traded KT?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Apr 19, 2003.

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  1. SwoLy-D

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    For the first time in my life as a Rockets' FAN, I agree with you, DD.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Swoly-D,

    You are slowly being assimilated.

    ;)

    DD
     
  3. Live

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    Hindsight is 20-20.

    I don't fault the Rocks for trading KT, I fault them for trading him so early in the season. I think they should have held on to him closer to the trade deadline (would a KT\Cat\etc. package have been attractive for Abdur-Rahim?), but hindsight is 20-20.
     
  4. Band Geek Mobster

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    KT more than likely would not have re-signed with the Rockets once his contract ended.

    Mo Taylor is pretty untradeable coming off a season ending injury the previous season.

    It's too early to throw away your 3 Draft Pick investment because of a bad 2nd season.

    Can I get a reply to these points?

    What was KT's statline last night anyway?
     
  5. Clutch

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    This is my take:

    I think KT was the best PF the Rocks had, however, I think EG will be better.

    Also no one would take Mo T with the way he is playing.

    KT got caught up in the numbers game, he should have stayed a Rocket, but there was no room, and his minutes would have continued to dwindle.

    Posey however, has a chance to really fit in nicely.

    Of course, I'm only plagiarizing <a href="http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&postid=695573#post695573">DaDakota's support of the trade from 3 months ago</a> :)
     
  6. Live

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    Ouch, Clutch!
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Clutch,

    He is right, I did support it. Not because I did not like KT but because I thought he was the only tradeable commodity we had.

    Also, I thought his game did not suite the team so well. I was wrong, it is not his game, but the lack of system that the Rockets have that did not support KT.

    Clutch, you still think EG is gonna be better then KT? I am not so sure these days.

    DD
     
  8. Clutch

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    I'm just giving you a hard time man :) I don't know yet on Eddie. He certainly has shaken my confidence in the player I thought he would become. He doesn't seem to have much desire. It's hard for me to look back and think how I thought it was a no-brainer that we not give up Eddie for Rashard. But who knows... maybe next year it will look different. I just want to see Eddie posting up doing more of the 12-foot and in turnarounds. Every time he throws up a three I'm reminded of how Rudy is wasting time in his development.

    KT is a hard-nosed player who has a nose for the ball and has some great post moves. Excellent footwork. Also was the best one-on-one defender for us at the four. But he had problems here that makes me feel like we did well to get Posey for him. KT was not the best chemistry guy and was a black hole with the ball. He rarely passed, and I thought it was clear he didn't work well with Yao out there. If you don't work well with Yao, start packing your stuff.
     
  9. Desert Scar

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    I appreciate a poster more for changing their position down the line--it shows they are less trying to protect their ego and have more balance if they admit they were wrong once in a while.

    Still, even though KT would be our best 4 you can't discount the fact we got JP in the deal who is our best 3. In either case Posey or KT has been our 4th best player when they have been on our roster and their numbers are almost identical with us. IMO we also have a better chance to resign Posey than KT because we have a less competitive 3 spot than 4 spot. Consedquently the KT for JP trade was a good one in my view.

    The problem I see is more and more it looks like we should have traded Griffin last offseason or by midseason when his value was high. Thus the KT-JP trade was solid once we decided to trade KT--but yes maybe we choose to trade the wrong guy. I admit virtually all last offseason through midseason I was for trading KT--and I was wrong--I should have said lets trade EG who had even more value at the time. Maybe I'll be wrong again and EG will improve, but the progress I expected this season was not close to what I was hoping.
     
  10. ILuvEddie33

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    I liked the trade cuz we got Posey! Imagine what our fast breaks would have been without Posey sh** we problably wouldnt have any fastbreak pts!Oh and wuz up with all da smokin jokes they funny but still! and another reason I likesd the trade is because KT always had this thing of disapperaring at crunch time instead EG gets takin out and Mo plays in crunch time! He is a good FT shooter I think the only thing he did wrong this year was all those missed FT in Sacramento. By the way why do so many ppl talk about EG shootin all those 3's doesnt he shoot better than 35% or around that percent? just askin!:D
     
  11. Uprising

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    I think Posey will fit in very well. He has already shown us his great D which usually results in fast breaks.
     
  12. DavidS

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    Yep. The only fast-break players we have are Posey and Mobley. In that order.

    Francis su*ks at fastbreaks.
     
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    This is a problem that not many mention. No team can botch a 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 or even a 3 on 1 break like we can.

    I think Posey is an outstanding wing guy on the break. Problem I see is the person running the break is usually very indecisive.
     
  14. Woofer

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    You are right on every point!

    Twenty minutes, four fouls, four points. Played in every quarter. From the play by play it appears as though he got in early foul trouble and played the three and the four.
     
  15. DavidS

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    No. He'll be the 3rd/4th option behind Francis, Yao, and Mobley (3rd if we got rid of Mobley).

    But since he would not average 18ppg, his minimal production and would be deceiving.

    Oh, and EG has 40FG% and 33% from three-point range.

    Yes, EG SHOULD NOT be shooting 3-pointers!

    I'll ask you this. Would you accept EG is he shot 55% from the field, didn't shoot 3 pointers, and averaged 12 PPG and 12RPG?
     
  16. DavidS

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    Yep. Francis does not *know* how to set-up the teammates/defenders for the fastbreak.

    He drives toward the basket blindly, thinking, "Oh, this is where I'm *supposed* to pass..."

    Then, turnover. See, he passes because he's *expected* to pass. But he really dones't know when? He's just winging it.

    Sad....

    He just never learned proper setup technique as a kid/highschool/college.

    He's lacks point guard skills. All this talk about him being like Kevin Johnson or Isiah Thomas is bunk. Isiah was as master at passing (9000+ assist club!). Kevin Johnson was a scoring point guard like Francis. But KG had decent passing skills.
     
  17. SmeggySmeg

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    cause 17 pts and 16 rebounds is a terrible line in a playoff game

    maybe the criticism of Kenny was not his fault and he was doing exactly what Rudy wanted him to.
     
  18. Woofer

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    Read the agqtrib thread on KT. He talks about Larry Brown asking him to do things he was never asked to do before, and adjusting to it.
     
  19. Panda

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    You beat me to it. Signing MoT to a fat contract and trading 3 first round picks for Griffin shows the Rockets never had Thomas in their long term plan, no wonder Kenny is pissed.
     
  20. KeepJuaquin

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    Man that's sad.

    Well good for him.

    Man...those tv guys keep on saying KENNY THOMAS!!!

    A former Rocket..and a hustle player. That's all they say.

    Man. I miss him.
     

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