Television Media Finally Shows Some Spine

GladiatoRowdy · Oct 29, 2009

thumbs said:

Then how can you listen to, watch or read any medium since they are all corporately owned? Even MSNBC, Huffington Post and Daily Kos are corporately owned.
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The comment was about "listening" to corporate media, which I expanded in my mind to include television. Print media is different AFAIC because it is far easier to find several points of view and identify bias in the written word.

I will actively refuse to watch a 24-hour news station, talk radio about anything but sports, and generally avoid watching even the daily news. I prefer to read my news so that I can decide for myself who is talking straight and who is blowing smoke out of their a$$es.

thumbs · Oct 29, 2009

GladiatoRowdy said:

The comment was about "listening" to corporate media, which I expanded in my mind to include television. Print media is different AFAIC because it is far easier to find several points of view and identify bias in the written word.

I will actively refuse to watch a 24-hour news station, talk radio about anything but sports, and generally avoid watching even the daily news. I prefer to read my news so that I can decide for myself who is talking straight and who is blowing smoke out of their a$$es.
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Even print media are corporate owned, and they have just as many biases. Look at the New York Times. Once upon a time their reputation was impeccable, but now no reasonable person can believe anything they write.

I agree with you that journalism has been ruined by the concept of advocacy journalism. Unfortunately, there is no way to return to the simpler time when the story goal of each journalist was to be accurate, fair and complete.

GladiatoRowdy · Oct 29, 2009

thumbs said:

Even print media are corporate owned, and they have just as many biases. Look at the New York Times. Once upon a time their reputation was immpeccable, but now no reasonable person can't believe anything they write.

I agree with you that journalism has been ruined by the concept of advocacy journalism. Unfortunately, there is no way to return to the simpler time when the story goal of each journalist was to be accurate, fair and complete.
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Again, with print media, it is easier to read between the lines, find other stories about the same issue, and otherwise ferret out the biases in the stories. I prefer to read several stories about the same subject (as happens so often in this forum) and make up my own mind about the issue.

Rashmon · Oct 29, 2009

Do you guys do your own investigative journalism or something?

FranchiseBlade · Oct 29, 2009

thumbs said:

Even print media are corporate owned, and they have just as many biases. Look at the New York Times. Once upon a time their reputation was immpeccable, but now no reasonable person can't believe anything they write.

I agree with you that journalism has been ruined by the concept of advocacy journalism. Unfortunately, there is no way to return to the simpler time when the story goal of each journalist was to be accurate, fair and complete.
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You couldn't be more wrong about the NYTimes. The times has made mistakes. They were news because they were the rarity rather than the rule. The same is not the case for Fox.

rocket3forlife2 · Oct 29, 2009

rimrocker said:

So, to sum up this thread...

FOX News broadcasts a false story that makes the administration look bad and makes FOX look like they are the opposite of the criticisms leveled at them by the administration. It then turns out that the story was falsified and sensationalized. After being out in the ether for a few days, many of the posters who leaped to the defense of FOX based on this made up power play by the White House have no idea that the initial story as reported on FOX News is, in fact, false. This small story shows precisely why the WH is correct in calling FOX out... and the idea that some people still don't know it was a FOX lie (or don't care) is justification enough for the WH to try and show that FOX News=GOP propaganda.

There couldn't be a more perfect example of how FOX poisons the real news in a way that benefits only certain Repubs and FOX News at the expense of the rest of the country.
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Stop telling the truth!

They will ignore it at all cost!

Dave_78 · Oct 30, 2009

Seems appropriate for this thread:

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rocket3forlife2 · Oct 30, 2009

Rashmon said:

Do you guys do your own investigative journalism or something?
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I doubt that you're an idiot, but you never know, it's not hard to figure out that Fox is a propaganda network if you're paying attention.

bucket · Oct 30, 2009

Dave_78 said:

Seems appropriate for this thread:

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Brilliant and really funny. Thanks for posting!

Rashmon · Oct 30, 2009

rocket3forlife2 said:

I doubt that you're an idiot, but you never know, it's not hard to figure out that Fox is a propaganda network if you're paying attention.
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Based on your comprehension of the gist of my post, I can conclude that you sir, are the idiot.

ryan_98 · Nov 10, 2009

and anita dunn is done.... how basso like

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iS8RXdnlYgDf82UFMnJFwMhZD4GgD9BSUBM00

White House communications chief to step down

By PHILIP ELLIOTT (AP) – 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON — The White House on Tuesday shuffled its communications team, with Anita Dunn stepping down as expected and her deputy taking over day-to-day management of President Barack Obama's vaunted messaging machine.

Dan Pfeiffer will become White House communications director and Dunn will became a consultant to Obama's White House, officials said. They expect the full transition to take place before the end of the year.

"Anita working part-time is what most people do full-time," White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett told The Associated Press. "She'll still be a strong presence within the senior team."

Dunn, a seasoned political operative, advised Obama's presidential bid and helped shape its outreach efforts to female voters. She also joined an inner-circle that was heavy on male voices during the marathon presidential campaign.

"She really has earned the president's and the first lady's respect, and she's been a team player," Jarrett said. "She's the strongest advocate you can have on your team."

Dunn initially refused to move to the White House, saying she wanted to spend time with her family. But when the White House's first communications director, Ellen Moran, stepped down to take a job at the Commerce Department, Dunn came aboard on an interim basis.

"She's actually stayed longer that we could have imagined," Jarrett said.

Jarrett, one of Obama's closest friends at the White House, said the president had expected Dunn to scale back her role for a while.

"He has checked in on her on a regular basis and I think she's been clear throughout that the fall was supposed to be her end date," Jarrett said.

Administration officials say Dunn's organization helped steer Obama through a bumpy summer that saw conservatives mobilize against his health care proposals and the daily clamor for the president's time. Officials credit her with shaping the administration's message as the health care proposals inched closer to congressional passage.

Dunn's aggressive style also has made her a top target of conservative commentators. She reacted with a fight with Fox News.

"The reality of it is that Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party," Dunn said last month. "And it is not ideological... what I think is fair to say about Fox, and the way we view it, is that it is more of a wing of the Republican Party."

Pfeiffer — whom Jarrett described as "stellar" — is similarly aggressive in his defense of Obama, a position he occupied during the campaign. He rose from traveling press secretary to the communications director for the campaign and later transition. A loyal Democratic communications operative, Pfeiffer previously worked for Vice President Al Gore, former Sen. Tom Daschle of South Dakota and Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana.

Obama and other administration officials initially considered Pfeiffer for the top communications job but instead brought in Moran and Dunn — both women — a communications and press operation that is otherwise heavy on males.

The personnel changes were first reported on The Washington Post's Web site.
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