Teen killed in Bellaire Pizzeria

I really don't know what segments? People always point to Rap...but Rap isn't just one thing. It varies from area to area, it's world wide and global. It goes from sending a positive message to a negative one, just like all forms of artistic medium. Way back from Slick Rick telling kids to stay in school to Chief Keef saying he'd put a pistol to your ear. To blame rap music for this if that is where you are going would be to blame any artistic medium. In the end, the individual takes from it what they want.

Single moms, lack of focus on education, drugs...that's not a part of black culture. To say that is to say that black people would rather their children be gang bangers than doctors? Do you honestly believe that? That black people WANT their children to fail? Perhaps it's just a cycle of poverty and poor education, as data tends to tell you.

As I always say, most black people in america are super religious. They believe in the same traditional values that many conservatives preach. If you want to shame "black" culture than you should shame the same religion that many white conservative people adhere to. They believe in the same ideals.

Also it's telling that this conversation is being had in THIS thread.

A thread about a pizzeria murder. Liberals are always blamed for bringing up race and yet here we are. Why are we discussing this in this thread? Race was brought into this because a few people wanted to put the blame on 'Black' culture for this. To be fair to you I suppose, it wasn't you who put the blame on culture.

But we are not even having this discussion without some of the posts on the first page.

I'm not sure why race was brought up here in this thread.(Well I am...) You should have jumped on those posters for race baiting. It's race baiting to continue to pump up the idea that black people are violent and criminal and if you are for racial harmony you wouldn't stand for people that continue to try and perpetuate this idea.

 

Yeah, the bolded part is the one thing that anyone should take away from this thread.

 

I take what I said before back. You are totally a robot controlled by right-wing blogs.

 

It is much much harder to pull yourself out of poverty - black or white - than the reality is made out to be. Getting educated when you don't have anything to eat at home and your parents have to work 24/7 just to survive - even if you have parents - is pretty tough. Then you are in an education system that is impoverished and doesn't have the tools to help you get ahead in life.

Until you see first hand what is going on, you can casually assign "culture" as the blame, when in reality it's a cycle that is very common in any poor area.

Yes focusing on education is critical, but that is one piece of the puzzle - a big piece. But to say that it is cultural is ludicrous because it isn't. If you don't think the worst kind of racism is systematic, well that's that - it's part of the problem of why systematic racism exists, because people would rather choose to be blind.

But if you are going to say the problem is cultural, someone - anyone, at least put some proof or data to back that claim up.

 

Calm down, it's all an act. Why yall can't figure that out after many years is pretty baffling.

 

Never mind, your right I'm blind, everything that is wrong here is probably somebody else's fault. I don't know why I didn't see it before, all we need to do to get these people out of poverty is to change their skin color.

This is why I think that you are without a doubt the biggest racist I have ever come across. You provide data that shows that poverty, not color, is where violence comes from. When I agree with you and say that culture is the problem with getting out of poverty you immediately turn this into a racial discussion. You have already proven this is not a discussion about color quit making it one. You completely ignore that EVERY color has this problem.

You keep blaming systematic racism, I'm sure the problem will eventually get ironed out.

 

Look, I am not trying to attack you here.

I think we need to clarify what is meant by "culture". When I hear you used that word I am assuming you mean to say it's hip-hop culture, gang culture, "ghetto" culture, etc etc.

I would postulate that all that culture is a RESULT of poverty, not the cause. Much of that culture came about in the 70's and 80's but poverty in black neighborhoods has been a problem for 100's of years.

When you are born into poverty to parents who have failed to escape poverty and arent very well educated and you go to a school system that isn't very good where the primary goal is discipline - where no one expects you to succeed and aren't arming you with the right tools and skills you will need to bootstrap it. When you don't see a path to success and all you see on the news is how criminal blacks are - when the only successful black people you are exposed to are rappers, sports figures, and other entertainers. When the police and others see you suspiciously.

How many of us who ended up finding success had to overcome that kind of inertia? I was lucky, I had parents who made me study and took interest in my education. Who made sure I was well fed. Who sent me to good schools. Who provided a safe place, and made me believe I could accomplish anything.

 

Your two last paragraphs are what I think of as "culture" one culture is defeatist and doomed and the other is nurturing and hopeful. One culture is the result of people who value family and structure and the other is the result of people who see no value in those things and have a mistaken belief that anyone else will get them out of their situation. They won't, nobody will, not the government not their teachers not their politicians or their idols and heroes. If you're relying on anyone but yourself in this world your putting your faith in the wrong place.

I am a religious person so this conversation has nothing to do with where you should be with God, but in the world, you got you and maybe your immediate family if your lucky.

I see this discussion heading back to where I thought it might and that is the chicken and the egg discussion. I don't know which came first poverty or culture but your last paragraph, your childhood, which sounds much like mine is the answer on how to change it.

 

Well is it really a chicken or egg problem? Blacks were once slaves, and then free but no one would give them a job or education. They were pretty much condemned to poverty until the 1950's.

You say it's a defeatist "culture" - at that point I wonder if things are just getting to semantics. It's not going to be easy to change what is going on in impoverished neighborhoods. It will never change unless enough people decide they are committed to it, and it does start with the children but the parents as well.

The neighborhoods have to be cleaned up. Incentives have to be made to inject industry. The schools have to be fixed and the reality that these kids only have one parent and often have trouble at home needs to be taken into account.

This country is the richest nation in the world - there is no reason that no child should be left behind. It's ridiculous that people can't put politics aside and change something so critical and core to our future as a nation.

 

The poor Indians in India aren't running around with guns and bragging about violence as a source of masculinity.

The aboriginals, far more impoverished than African Americans, don't assume people have a right to be thirsty and aggressive if they see a white man in a nice car.

Asian Americans certainly didn't come here with white privilege.

It is a problem very, VERY, specific to the African American community and their lack of day to day role models, instead of the rappers, athletes, drug dealers that they glamorize. You can't only respect the guys with god given talent or the ones that don't die while selling drugs.

And you wonder why MORE than every other child is being raised by a single mom.

It's a lazy mentality, that before I came along as the leader of the progressive black cultural movement, the black community simply did not want to take accountability for. We can start with the stats for single moms amongst poor white families, and we'll begin to peel back the layers.

http://newsone.com/1195075/children-single-parents-u-s-american/

72 Percent Of Black Kids Raised By Single Parent, 25% Overall In U.S.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/05/72-percent-black-fatherhood_n_5648759.html

'72 Percent' Documentary Confronts The Black Community's Single-Parent 'Epidemic'

 

As long as we are all willing to admit that Asians have the superior culture then maybe we can get somewhere, let's get some consistency here.

http://datacenter.kidscount.org/dat...69,36,868,867,133/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431

That number is like 5 years old it seems... any ways...

As we can see, Asians once again have the lowest number here at 17%

Black is 66%, Native 53%, White is 25%.

What is wrong with white culture?

For some reason biracial is 42%, I wonder what culture has to do with that?

As for your India point, what a horrible point to make. I guess expected from someone who says Obama is a bad role model for African American. Yeah, the guy that went to Harvard and became president is a bad role model...

Any ways, India just like really any major country that is bound to have poor areas has a long history of crime and even crime lords.

In fact, look at a country that has been hit hard economically. Venezuela. It leads the world in crime by the way.

Honestly the only reason I'm responding to your trolling "H.Sugah" is because you attempted to pass off stats to continue your race baiting. I mean how far will a troll go? When this act tires will you go even lower? I wonder.