1. oh...i don't know...how about the AMA or the American Cancer Society? i probably should ignore them and listen to your sage advice on the topic, but something about them gives them just a hint of credibility. http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/15/acs_health.doc 2. it's not a blanket-ban. blanket-bans ban the activity EVERYWHERE AND IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. this ordinance does not do that. 3. did you seriously just say, "r****ded", peter pan?
There is so much so wrong with this post that when I remember that you actually graduated from a public university in Texas it makes me cringe.
1. stop with all the arguments about meat, meowgi. you're a carnivore and come off looking ridiculously hypocritical. 2. when i go to a concert i'm absolutely, positively going to hear the music. i know that. beyond merely consenting to it...i'm asking for it. i'm paying for it. i'm not doing that when i walk into a bar. i shouldn't have to do that when i walk into a bar. 3. i'm not supporting bans like that. i'm not suggesting that at all.
1. I try to eat meat as little as possible. I certainly don't eat fast food and would never feed it to a child. That is cruel to the child and to the animals. There should be a ban. 2. We are asking that just some bars be smoking. We should have a choice on bars like a choice on concerts. 3. You are supporting near blanket bans that lead to it. It is still the same controlling, fascist mindset.
yes, i'm fascist who is intent on poisoning my children. please, meowgi...i'm begging you to the get the gigantic chip off of your shoulder and smile.
I will smile when I can continue going to a bar for a beer and a cigarette. One evening as the sun went down and the jungle fire was burning Down the track came a hobo hiking and he said boys I'm not turning I'm headin for a land that's far away beside the crystal fountains So come with me we'll go and see the Big Rock Candy Mountains In the Big Rock Candy Mountains there's a land that's fair and bright Where the handouts grow on bushes and you sleep out every night Where the boxcars are all empty and the sun shines every day On the birds and the bees and the cigarette trees Where the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings In the Big Rock Candy Mountains In the Big Rock Candy Mountains all the cops have wooden legs And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth and the hens lay soft boiled eggs The farmer's trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay Oh, I'm bound to go where there ain't no snow Where the rain don't fall and the wind don't blow In the Big Rock Candy Mountains In the Big Rock Candy Mountains you never change your socks And the little streams of alcohol come a-trickling down the rocks The brakemen have to tip their hats and the railroad bulls are blind There's a lake of stew and of whiskey too You can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe In the Big Rock Candy Mountains In the Big Rock Candy Mountains the jails are made of tin And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in There ain't no short handled shovels, no axes saws or picks I'm a goin to stay where you sleep all day Where they hung the jerk that invented work In the Big Rock Candy Mountains I'll see you all this coming fall in the Big Rock Candy Mountains
1. I've been vegan for 14 years and vegetarian for 20. Can I make those arguments? (p.s. to MEOWGI: "As little meat as possible" is zero meat) 2. When you go to a bar with a band playing you are either going to hear the music or you are willing to tolerate the music. Or you leave. I wouldn't ask you to tolerate smoke if you went to any bar for a drink. I would only ask you to tolerate it if you went to the hypothetical smoking bars I imagine would make up a very small percentage of all bars. 3. The thread's long now and I can't remember your position on a compromise that would allow a very small percentage of bars to allow smoking. Could you remind me? Because if you're for zero tolerance in 100% of public indoor spaces, that really does feel a whole lot like a blanket ban.
Oh, DO tell me exactly what is incorrect with my statement, factually. You may not like my stance, or my abrasiveness. BUT that has nothing to do with what I stated.
That's a tough question. I would support making it difficult to get the license so that non-smokers could still enjoy a smoke free environment in the vast majority of bars. First, the license would likely be expensive. Second, it should probably come with a requirement that sophisticated ventilation systems be in place, which would be very expensive as well. If, in the face of those requirements, there were still so many people interested in owning such bars that it caused serious inconvenience for non-smokers, I would support a lottery with a cap on the number of bars that could receive the license.
none that i force to breath toxic chemicals. I really think the people who make their kids breath in cigarette smoke are the jerks ya know. it's like the people who smoke while pregnant or drink heavily. Really care more about their addiction than their child. That you defend such behavior is really insane - do you work for a tobacco company?
Totally fair and I don't begrudge anyone their chosen diet (the only exception being meat eaters that play moral high horse games on other issues to do with life - giddy and I had some fun with this a while back). I only take issue with your characterization of that being "as little as possible." It isn't. I don't enjoy turning down food that is a gift; in fact I really freaking hate it. It feels impolite and it hurts the giver's feelings. But I've chosen to truly eat as little meat as possible. That means no meat unless I'm starving to death and there really is no way to obtain other food.
Because people can choose to trade health in for their own pleasure. You can eat all you want and give yourself diabetes...you can drink your liver to death, and you can smoke your way to cancer and you can scream the n word on a block in the ghetto - all your choice. You can live life dangerously. No problem. But you can't endanger others. You can drive drunk. You can't force others to breath in your toxic exhaust, and you can't yell fire in a movie theatre. Bars will always cater to their customers and allow them to smoke if they have a choice. If the smoking ban is opt-in, no one would opt-in. If you don't get this, you don't go to many bars.
the smoke in bars damages my health, while drunk people don't. why is that so hard for you to understand??? and why aren't you pushing for allowing smoke in all workplaces and establishments? And why not have smoke flights? And smoke buses? And smoke DMV's???
