Token "I was right. You were wrong," post. I'd dig up some of the arguments from back in Jan/Feb, but I'd just feel that much more egocentric. Basically, the Texan's are doing exactly what I suspected they would, because the best QB in the world doesn't mean **** if you're not winning in the trenches. Ask Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning? The guy who's had success with every O-Line he's ever had, no matter what injuries hit or who was swapped in and out? Are you sure the trenches were the strength, or was the constant simply that Manning made his O-Line look awesome with his command of it and decision-making? Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers etc seem to manage just fine no matter the circumstances they are in. Given the volatility of an O-Line, it's unlikely that each of those guys has just had incredible O-lines every single year of their career. Rodgers, in particular, is one of the most sacked and pressured QBs most years. But they are exceptions, being all-world players - of course an O-Line is going to be helpful. But the flipside of your argument is that winning in the trenches doesn't mean *** if you don't have a QB.
All 3 of them have great O-Line's nearly every year. The years that they don't, typically due to injury, they end up getting overwhelmed in the playoffs by elite defenses. What I meant by that statement was that even Brees, Brady, or Manning need the pocket to hold for at least 2.4 seconds. Getting pressure quicker than that is how you beat the best.
Peyton gets rid of the ball so fast and reads blitzes so well he makes his offensive lines look good. Broncos sacks given up - 2010 - 40 sacks 2011 - 42 sacks Broncos get Manning - 2012 - 21 sacks 2013 - 20 sacks
So you think the Texans didn't draft a quarterback because of the offensive line...??? Lol. And if you ask Manning he will tell you that the Seattle secondary locked his receivers up on the line of scrimmage and his arm wasn't strong enough to throw the ball down field. Even Richard Sherman said Manning could have exposed them if he took more chances down field. Seattle's defense is built from the back end. Their front 7 isn't the strength of that team. That's why it's easier to run on them than to throw on them. Seattle had injuries on their offensive line last season as well.
Manning throws a lot of screens and short passes. Over 70% of his passes or behind the line of scrimmage to 5-10 yards. He has receivers that can get YAC and take it too the house.
Man, are Bridgewater fans turning into LOFs? Any possibility that he may not be a future star QB is automatically spinned into hate? Also, if most NFL scouts and GMs are wrong, then technically the most successful NFL players should be UDFAs. Because after all, the players these guys draft should all be busts. Yet history has shown that the higher the pick, the more likely the success. 1st round picks are more likely to become pro bowlers than 2nd round picks and so forth. So the idea that if NFL front offices believe something, then it has to be wrong, is both stupid on a factual level even if you lack the common sense to see it.
I am the biggest Bridgewater fan on this board, but I can't argue with how this draft turned out We built up our line on both sides (should have a top 10 to top 5 pass rush next year) We have hog mollies on the o-line who can move people If BOB turned Matt McGloin into serviceable NFL qb, Maybe he can turn Savage into something special Even though we missed out on TB, he is in the NFC. I am pleased Heck he even went to a team perfect for him
At the end of the day Teddy; -Had success on the field at Louisville, -Helped his coach get an even better job, -got his degree, -did something nice for his mom, & -Got drafted in the first round. He'll get his shot to live his dream, no excuses required.
I am not saying that. In general most players who are picked early are considered better players by most people not just nfl scouts or gms. So the probability that guy picked earlier is going to be better is higher. What I would expect them to do is be able to pick at much higher rate then mock drafts. I don't know if TB will good or not, but I am rooting for him. Don't bring your LOF crap in here. Since you provided no facts and just want to insult let me provide you some facts. Here is a list of 1st round qbs: 2000 Chad Pennington New York Jets - good 2001 Michael Vick Atlanta Falcons - good 2002 David Carr Houston Texans 2002 Joey Harrington Detroit Lions 2002 Patrick Ramsey Washington Redskins 2003 Carson Palmer Cincinnati Bengals good 2003 Byron Leftwich Jacksonville Jaguars 2003 Kyle Boller Baltimore Ravens 2003 Rex Grossman Chicago Bears 2004 Eli Manning San Diego Chargers good 2004 Philip Rivers New York Giants good 2004 Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers good 2004 J.P. Losman Buffalo Bills 2005 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers good 2005 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers good 2005 Jason Campbell Washington Redskins 2006 Vince Young Tennessee Titans 2006 Matt Leinart Arizona Cardinals 2006 Jay Cutler Denver Broncos good 2007 JaMarcus Russell Oakland Raiders 2007 Brady Quinn Cleveland Browns 2008 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons good 2008 Joe Flacco Baltimore Ravens good 2009 Matt Stafford Detroit Lions good 2009 Mark Sanchez New York Jets 2009 Josh Freeman Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2010 Sam Bradford St. Louis Rams 2010 Tim Tebow Denver Broncos 12/28 1st round qbs turned out to be decent. What does that say about how good nfl scouts and gms are?
"Perfect team for him"? Hardly. He is a kid that can't throw an accurate deep pass to save his life and he went to a Norv Turner team. For his sake, I hope Cassel wins out the QB job this year because he needs some more time to develop or he'll get the bust tag in a hurry.
Apparently he was Norv's pick. Norv is a qb guru and if Norv wanted him, he wanted him for a reason. Wouldn't be surprised if Norv turned TB into a top 5 qb when its all said and done
That said, going to Minnesota is infinitely better than going to the factory of sadness in Cleveland.
I don't know about that. Minnesota is building a new stadium and they are about to start playing outside. Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago _ it's darn cold up their and I don't believe Teddy is considered a good cold weather quarterback. Norv Turner + Teddy Bridgewater = I don't see a good fit there either. Just my opinion and maybe those concerns are minimum and will be easy for Teddy to overcome.
Have you looked at the ratio of good quarterbacks that came out of the 2nd round and beyond compared to the ones that didn't work out...? I bet it's worst than 12/28. The draft isn't an exact science. 1st round pass rushers and wide receivers bust as well and or don't live up to their 1st round grade. And considering the quarterback position is one of if not the hardest position to play, the hardest postion to fill, and the most important _ that 12/28 ratio isn't bad at all. It's only 12-15 good quarterbacks in the NFL so that 12/28 ratio is right on track... Lol... It's all a matter of point of view. But a quarterback is needed and teams will draft them.
All legitimate concerns, but the factory of sadness' main product is bust QB's and they just lost their top two WR's. Manziel + factory of sadness - Josh Gordon - Nate Burleson + unfair fan and media expectations = the disappointment that is par for the course in Cleveland
Draft position of those 12 QBs you listed as "good." 5 #1 overall picks 7 top-5 overall picks 10 top half of the 1st round 2 drafted in the bottom-half of the 1st round Pray tell, what in that list disproves the idea that NFL people know how to evaluate talent? And how is history on your side when Rodgers and Pennington are the only late 1st round picks to succeed in the NFL?
I wasn't expecting Johnny to start this year. I'm under the impression that Hoyer will be the best starting option for that team this year (if he recovers from injury) and of course I have "hope" for VY (as in I hope he studies his playbook harder than he does a Cheesecake Factory menu). Just the same I never viewed him as a day one starter so I don't think Gordon being out effects him.
