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Teddy Bridgewater or Bust

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Old Man Rock, Dec 3, 2013.

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  1. rocketpower2

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    Teddy and Johnny will fight for it though Teddy has the advantage due to being more of a prototypical OB quarterback.
     
  2. Remii

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    I don't ware panties... And your question was a dumb azz one...
     
  3. Remii

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    Practically all of Teddy's games were meaningless... So can't compare his game action to Johnny's... But it was stated before that O'Brien likes big QBs and both Teddy and Johnny are light in the azz so he may not want either one...
     
  4. M.G.

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    Yet he praised Matt McGloin as a quarterback who can excel in his system, who is smaller than Bridgewater.
     
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    Brooks: Bridgewater is the crown jewel of QBs
    NFL.com's Bucky Brooks called Louisville junior Teddy Bridgewater the "crown jewel" of QB prospects in the 2014 class.
    "With Bridgewater displaying similar traits as a playmaker and leader, I believe he should be the crown jewel of the 2014 quarterback class -- and Johnny Manziel is the only other quarterback capable of challenging his spot at the top," Brooks writes. The former NFL scout appears to have changed his evaluation a bit after diving deeper into Bridgewater's film. On Dec. 4 he ranked Derek Carr as the top quarterback in the class, with Bridgewater No. 2, A.J. McCarron No. 3, and Manziel No. 4.

    www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000030...bridgewater-primed-to-be-next-great-qb-in-nfl
     
  6. JeffB

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    If some YouTube video, O'Brien specifically stated that while McGloin wasn't much to look at, at 6', he had to accuracy, decision making, smarts needed to be a QB. The coach said those attributes were most important. Having a top notch athlete at QB is a plus not a necessity.

    He included looking at off field decision making as an indicator of on field decision making.

    http://youtu.be/dmH7jvQN4zk
     
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    Derek Carr... lol C'mon nye...
     
  8. Remii

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    Praising a player doesn't necessarily indicate desire to have.... And Bridgewater is already being not considered the best QB prospect in this draft by some.
     
  9. M.G.

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    As JeffB stated above, O'Brien cares much, much more about other aspects of a quarterback than his size. BOB wants strong mechanics, high football intelligence, pocket presence and quality character, which are all Bridgewater's strengths.

    And what does it matter that Bridgewater isn't considered the best QB by some? Everyone disagrees, and considering the sheer number of draft "experts," there is clearly no way that all of them will favor the same guy.

    Besides, he's still considered the #1 QB by the vast majority of experts.
     
  10. Remii

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    California, Florida, and Texas produces the most NFL talent so being able to recruit top talent out of those states have always been a big deal on the college level. And Teddy Bridgewater was a top recruit coming out of high school in Miami Florida and Charlie stole him like a thief in the night and several other top Florida recruits.

    And for the most part _ the best college teams usually have Texas and or Florida kids on it contributing in some form or fashion so apparently it does mean something. You must don't know how good those Florida schools use to be...
     
  11. Old Man Rock

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    Funny how when Jameis Winston plays Miami it cements his Heisman Trophy. When Johnny Football plays the Gators last year and throws for only 173 yards and loses it doesn't hurt his Heisman chances. But when Bridgewater goes in and beats both of those teams and puts up much better stats and looks more impressive it's meaningless.

    Floyd who got drafted in the 1st round last year said Bridgewater was the best QB he faced last year and it wasn't even close. Bostic who got drafted in the second round said he tried to knock him out but he just keep getting back up. The whole team said they just couldn't stop him. But this is the typical crap that comes out from Bridgewater naysayers.

    Johnny Manziel is a major talent and unlike some I think he will be successful in the NFL. But he has some major adjustments to make and take away his speed and he is not the same QB. There in lies the problem. Johnny will get hit harrder and more often in the NFL he will go down if he doesn't make major adjustments. Yeah everyone is at risk but take away Johnny's running and he is not the same. That was a nice skip and pass by Johnny but bridgewater can scramble too...

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    That was a much harder pass on the run and Bridgewater can skip too.

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    Bridgewater is an amazing athlette too but the difference is he doesn't need his athleticism to succeed.
     
  12. Major

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    Again, you're speaking in generalities - none of this tells us that Louisville is loaded. Florida, Texas, and California also produce more mediocre talent than other states too - simply because they have the most people. You've shown that UL has lots of Florida players. I'm asking if there's any evidence that have lots of *good* Florida players that are better than other AAC schools, outside of Bridgewater.

    You mention these several other top Florida recruits - I'm simply asking who they are (I know nothing about the UL roster) - because that should be taken into account when evaluating him. If they have 4-star lineman or WRs, that matters. If they have 4-star cornerbacks, it doesn't.
     
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    Yea but that was Matt McGloin he was praising... An undrafted guy. And the Patriots don't have a history of drafting QBs early when O'Brien was there. And with this group of QB prospects _ Hundley or Garoppolo could be the best of the bunch with the proper coaching.
     
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    Did you watch the video? He was listing all the traits that he believed quarterbacks must have, and then he used McGloin as an example to prove one of his points. McGloin was not the subject of his discussion.

    And of course the Patriots didn't draft QB's high when O'Brien was there... they had Tom freaking Brady.
     
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    This particular topic started with me saying that Louisville's offense is head and shoulders better than the competition they face in their conference. The Evidence is on tape. Look at the separation his receivers get and how much time he gets to throw. And how many teams has Teddy faced with NFL defensive talent compared to what a guy like Johnny faced...? Look at Louisville's player rankings on offense coming out of high school compared to their defensive counterparts in their conference. Teddy hasn't been tested much at all... He hasn't played against many guys who can play in the NFL or even at big time college programs. But Google is there for you if you want specific names and rankings of Florida players on that team.

    And as far as Charlie being able to recruit out of Florida.
    http://espn.go.com/college-sports/r...0623/florida-recruiting-paradise-top-programs
     
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    Definitely like TFB more. Love his arm and pocket awareness. QBs like him tend to last in the NFL, QBs like Johnny, not so much.
     
  17. M.G.

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    I don't know what you're seeing on tape, but it's pretty much generally accepted that Louisville has a horrid offensive line. They do a terrible job of protecting Bridgewater, and the only reason Louisville even has a competent offense is because Bridgewater possesses fantastic pocket presence and is able to navigate his way out of pressure.
     
  18. Remii

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    Yea and Brady wasn't a top pick either. And neither was Rodgers, Foles, Russell, Brees, Dalton, and Kapernick. That's over half of the QBs in the playoffs this year. Only two teams that are in the playoffs that drafted QBs with the number one pick and that's Indy and Carolina and Bridgewater doesn't compare to Cam and Luck coming out of college. Not even close...

    I'm not saying Teddy is garbage _ I'm just saying he's not worth the number one pick and just like in the Luck and RG3 draft there are QBs who are just as good like Foles, Russell, Cousins, and Tannehil. Will see how it goes come combine and senior bowl when they really start breaking these players down. And some scouts are already saying a couple of other QBs are better prospects than Teddy.

    I want to see the Texans trade down and draft a QB outside the top 10 and get more picks. And let O'Brien develop him like he did Brady who was just a game manager before O'Brien got there.
     
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    Teddy getting sacked so much could also be on the play calling and or him holding the ball for too long and or not making the proper reads as well. Can't always blame just the line. And that doesn't bold well considering they was going against cupcake talent on defense.

    Come draft day Bridgewater may be considered the 3rd - 5th best QB prospect. He's already being knocked down to #2...
     
  20. Major

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    Of course, in any given year, there is 1 #1 pick and 223 non-#1 picks. So the odds are that yes, the majority of playoff QBs would be non-#1 picks.

    Another way to look at it is that 4 out of 12 playoff teams have #1 overall pick currently playing QB (33%), despite that pick accounting only a tiny fraction of all the QBs drafted over the last many years.
     
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