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Teddy Bridgewater or Bust

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Old Man Rock, Dec 3, 2013.

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  1. HTown_DieHard

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    lol, keep up the insightful analysis.
     
  2. sugrlndkid

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    you really do suffer from little man syndrome...looking at your pathetic attempts at snarky comments...hoping it wins you internet points...Shouldnt you be studying for your middle school finals this week?
     
  3. HTown_DieHard

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    lol, you def mad.. hahah!
     
  4. Ottomaton

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    I get the impression that a lot of people commenting on Bridgewater here (both for and against) haven't even seen five minutes of a Louisville game on TV, much less systematically analyzed the coach's tape.

    Google "Dunning - Kruger Effect". If you haven't put in the work, you should probably avoid making definitive comments on the assessments of people who have. That includes me. I've seen parts of two games on TV and I like what I see, but if the chief scout for the Texans makes a final assessment in the other direction, I'm not going to presume to tell him he is wrong.

    Just my reoccurring thought reading back over this thread.

    Maybe if you are going to make absolute statements on Bridgewater, you should indicate exactly what data you are using to draw these conclusions.
     
  5. jdr6000

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    1) I am not "HT".

    2) Based on everything I have studied, Bridgewater is way ahead of RG3 as far as being a long term starting QB in the NFL. This does not take much effort to conclude if you look at the key components. In fact, from top to bottom (and where it counts most: the mind of a qb), he is the most realistic pro ready QB prospect in a long while...including Andrew Luck.

    3) You will hear ALOT of nonsense over the next several months about his "overall size" and his "chicken legs", ...how he will never hold up in the pros. This is just a bunch of over analyzing mumbo jumbo.

    4) These draft experts that say he is not top tier talent and is over rated just can't understand how Louisville can be attached to such a talent (and yes, I admit, that is a tough one to overcome). Bridgewater was very close to going to Miami. You wouldn't be hearing any of this if that had occurred.

    5) Bridgewater's on field intelligence, feel, finesse, coordination, accuracy, grit, and determination is significantly under rated. This is what makes Hall of Famers folks, not speed and big body frames.

    6) If the Texans are not careful they will allow points 3-5 to prevent them from getting what they have been gift wrapped to attain. And if this happens, they will regret it for many, many, many years.
     
  6. jdr6000

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    ....anything anyone puts on this forum is an opinion and nothing more. It doesn't matter where one gets their data. The same material one uses can be read by three different people who will conclude with three different opinions.
     
  7. Ottomaton

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    Lol. So if I'd never watched a football game in my life, my opinion would be equal to, say, Gil Brandt's in the days leading up to the Draft after he has done his work? As much as I admire your egalitarian spirit, that is laughable. Saying that the opinion if professionals is not perfect is not the same as saying that that imperfection is equal to random chance, which is essentially what you are saying when you say all opinions are equal.

    To say that watching a player has no effect on your ability to make an informed judgment is... an interesting position to take.
     
  8. HTown_DieHard

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    If you read the thread, you will find a lot of film on teddy bridgewater to back up the supporter's opinion.. Is there anything more definite than actual game tape?
     
  9. Ottomaton

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    ...which is exactly my point. People who have not watched tape should be cautious about telling people who have watched tape that they are wrong. I'm not saying that analyzing the tapes makes your opinion correct, but it greatly improves the chances of it being so.

    However YouTube highlights is not watching tape. In that instance, you are watching an editor's summation of tape. For example, look at any of those YouTubes, and tell me which recievers out of camera were open, and which weren't. There is a YouTube clip of Matt Schaub throwing a deep ball. It is probably the only one ever, but I could play that over and over, and if you'd never watched a game, you'd think he was Sonny Jurgenson. But those of us who've watched every week would know better. So watching YouTube is better than nothing, and less than watching coach's tape of every game from beginning to end.
     
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    I agree... I wish we had access to college coaches tape.

    If you check out some of the Bridgewater film, they include his low lights, as well as his highlights. Which, I like.
     
  11. Old Man Rock

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    I do not know who you are but in a nutshell you have characterized the man IMO. Especially number 5. Honestly I knew very little of Bridgewater and only started watching him as the Texans stunk it up. I have watched almost every bit of video out there on him. And it just seems so obvious to me this kid is as good a prospect as we can get.

    I have one question? Who do you think is better right now, Winston or Bridgewater? Not a better potential prospect but better right now?
     
  12. jdr6000

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    To Ottoman...what I meant was two-fold; 1) all of us on this message board are a bunch of hacks (me included)...you won't find one your so-called "professional scout tape reviewers" wasting their precious time at Clutch Fans. 2) so, to be more specific, if any three of "us" watched the same tape I think you would get two or three different opinions on what Teddy will be able to do and not do....and they are just that, unprofessional, internet, basement dweller opinions.

    To Old Rock...there is no denying the physical talent of Winston. That said, he does not possess the mental intangibles of Teddy. "Famous" was blessed with an incredible surrounding cast: line, receivers, rb's, defense...all of this makes it easy for a college qb to shine (and a fairly soft schedule helps to0). So, while many will disagree, when my uneducated self analyzes the two in determining who will be the most effective NFL qb, I would have to go with Bridgewater.

    Look, I may be wrong ...noone here knows for a fact what prospects will end up doing what unless they have a flying DeLorean outfitted with a flux-capacitor. I bet Oakland wishes they could have borrowed Doc Brown's before they took Russell, eh?
     
  13. solid

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    I have officially joined the "play dead for Ted" crowd. Clowney or whatever his name is looks like a lesser version of Mario. Never impressed with Mario. If Clowney didn't want to go all out for SC why would he do anything once he is paid.
     
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    I think I’m hearing some crazy things about the quarterback race at the top of the draft. Namely: I know one team that, as of now, thinks it’s no sure thing Teddy Bridgewater will be the top quarterback on its board (and this is a team that could take a quarterback in the first round). Moreover, this team believes Central Florida’s Blake Bortles or Johnny Manziel could be the top quarterback on the board. That’s right. Blake Bortles. We don’t even know if Bortles, a redshirt junior, will return for his fifth season at UCF. He will reportedly make his decision after Central Florida’s Fiesta Bowl game against Baylor.

    http://mmqb.si.com/2013/12/16/nfl-week-15-monday-morning-quarterback/5/

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    Considering how close Peter King is with the Texans, I'm curious if he is referring to their QB draft board. http://mmqb.si.com/2013/12/16/nfl-week-15-monday-morning-quarterback/5/
     
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    Safest bet right now would be going with Teddy...Clowney is a risk, and even if he becomes a stud, I'd rather have a stud QB over a stud DE.

    Interested to see how these guys do during the combine, but I'd have a hard time seeing the Texans do anything but draft Bridgewater with the first pick. I think, if not that, the next option would be to trade down and grab some extra goodies, but it would take a lot for the Texans to consider that route.
     
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    I'll jump out the window if the Texans even consider Bortles over Bridgewater.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    remember Geno Smith sat atop many draft boards this time last year

    That guy has sucked horribly
     
  18. Fyreball

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    That article could easily be a case where the Texans (or whatever other team he's talking to) could be using King as a smokescreen. By de-valuing Bridgewater, the Texans can open themselves up as a trade candidate to move down, and still take Teddy with the 3rd or 4th pick. At this point, it's far too early to speculate how the QBs are going to shake out in this draft.....andit's ESPECIALLY too early to start considering taking Bortles over Bridgewater. With the draft being 4 months away still, there is no way the Texans (or anybody else for that matter) would tip their hand as to how they ACTUALLY value these players. Peter King is all too happy to propagate any message a team might want him to float out there right now since it equates to hits and stories for him.
     
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    I like Bortles a lot. I think if the others teams fell in place that we could trade out of the top pick, still get Clowney, then get and a RT and Bortles with another first round pick and second round pick.
     
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    This assumes that other teams will value players based on what Peter King is saying as opposed to their own scouts. Anything that suggests the Texans don't want the player Team X thinks is #1 reduces the amount Team X would feel they have to pay the Texans in a trade because it suggests the Texans would be more willing to move down.
     
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