Ted Nugent: The Man Not The Music

There you go again... characterizing Nugent's use of the language in question "with abandon." There is no proof of that.

Why do you have a boner for censoring his free speech?

To answer your question (I don't know how you've missed my answers... me, dense? LOL): Ted can talk with his friends however he likes, a wetback is an illegal alien in the first place, I still haven't found the episode about "gooks" only "Jap" guitars as in "You can't play the Blues on a Jap guitar..."

You can criticize til your eyes and ears bleed, but you wish to censor him and you have not that right.

BTW, I never refer to anyone as a "N." Man, there goes your argument....

 

I went through 10 pages of a google search on Ted Nugent and never found this one. That was my original search. I haven't had the time to go back and look for more. thanks for the find and especially thanks for the insinuation...

 

This is the horror? He was talking about the terms-- not even using them to talk about somebody or at somebody.... I daresay that you, Batman, and I are guilty of exactly the same thing that you think Nugent is guilty of....

"The Korean producer of the show wasn't even personally offended: "Rick Lewis and Michael Floorwax, longtime Nugent supporters and friends, were taken aback when Nugent went on his rant and took him to task on the air. Floorwax said on the air that he was disappointed that Nugent used the words; Lewis noted that Nugent likes to shock but went too far.

The show's producer, Kathy Lee, is of Korean descent. She said on the air that <b>she wasn't personally offended</b> but suggested that Nugent make an apology to the Asian community in Denver.

"<b>I don't think he's a racist</b>, but he'll come on the show occasionally and drop a bomb like that and then step back to see the reaction it gets," Lewis said after the show. "He loves that reputation of a shoot-from-the-hip kind of guy."

 

How about this (BOLD FACE EMPHASIS IS MINE)

Ted Nugent Says...Something Naughty!

The AP wire is a-twit-ter after Ted Nugent apparently said, how delicately they put it: the words "g----" and "n-----" on live radio
Do you suspect the words are not goof and *****rdly? Instead, I reckon, he might have used the words gook and ******. (Let the insensitivity shine through! Brian J. typed the words without hyphens or cute, non alphanumeric cartoon-swearword characters.) <b>I don't know what he used, because the news accounts are very clipped, not offering much context but instead focusing on the act of using the prohibited words</b>.

What we do have for context is this:
Rick Lewis and Michael Floorwax, morning talk show hosts on KRFX-FM, said that during an interview Monday, Nugent said one of the members of a group called the Funk Brothers years ago complimented his guitar playing by using a racist term for blacks.
Would that be these Funk Brothers? If so, a majority of them appear to be black. If one of them said Ted Nugent was his *****, or something along those lines, odds lean toward a black man calling Ted Nugent the N-word. <b>In which case, it wasn't used in the sense of a racial slur. And Ted Nugent reporting the word use is a not a racial slur, either.</b>

Sorry. I understand these "special" words have magickal significance to aggrieved covens of the afflicted, but they are just words. Perhaps Ted Nugent was using them to draw attention to the fact that they're just collections of glyphs on the page or voiced velar stops, alveolar coronals and other articulations and not anything more. Actus reus without mens rea. <b>As our society fundamentally shifts from criminal intent to strict liability template, it's no longer necessary to mean harm with words, just speaking the words is the offense.</b>

<b>We'll probably never know how Ted Nugent meant to use the words or how he really used the words. It's not like the inflammatory news article presents the context or a transcript. Don't bother going to the the Web site of the radio station 103.5 The Fox, or the dee jays with whom the Nuge was communicating, Lewis and Floorwax. Instead of information about this heinous crime, you'd just see the "sunken treasure chests" contest in which one woman with small breasts will win free breast augmentation! At least these holders of the moral high ground took the opportunity of this new-found celebrity to remove the photo of one of the morning show participants vomiting into a trash can after smelling rancid dog feces as part of some morning hijinks. Some marketing flack must have known the attention the Web site was about to receive. Any publicity is good publicity, especially when you're enlightened defenders of feelings AND you don't have puking interns on the Web site.</b>

Ted Nugent's Web site probably won't glorify this "scandal" with a response. I cannot say I blame him. <b>The whole thing smacks of a publicity stunt by a couple of drive-time losers with declining marketing share, deciding to pillory an outspoken conservative figure for fun and ratings</b>.

Unfortunately, it will probably work.

link: http://stlbrianj.blogspot.com/archives/2003_05_04_archive.html

 

Sam I have not told you cease and desist in your arguments... like you did me, so don't try lecturing about the exercise of free speech. Here's what you wrote: "I can't believe your persisting with defending this crap. I suppose you are getting a big kick out of seeing me get worked up over it, which I guess is why you're trying to play all cute with it. You should stop, because it's not very funny, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way."

You demand of Nugent's accountability for why he expresses himself in the way that he does is but one subtle form of censorship. He owes you no such explanation. You even try to wheedle his motivation out of me. How would I know?

Slander. Libel. Big deal. This is more like a conversation so I used the term slander. Boy, that puffed you up didn't it?

Re: the Mexican guitarist, it's not a ploy. He really does have a Mexican guitarist. There is no Cause and Effect relationship between the nationality of his guitarist and his manner of speech.

Your example is beyond ridiculous.

Ted's gripe about the critisms is about the fairness of it all. He was leapt upon and, in my opinion, many distortions of the event took place.

Here's a few of your exageration and inaccuracies in all this exchange:

“Yeah, wetback is pretty freaking offensive and it hurts to be called one, you think its a ethinically neutral term? Especially when you tell people to shoot them all? “

<b>A lawbreaker is a lawbreaker. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. As I said once before a German illegally entering the US via the Rio Grande would be a wetback too.</b>

“I'm a maniac because I think its wrong for some jackass to say that we should go out and shoot all the mexicans we see?”

<b>This is factually incorrect because not all Mexicans are wetbacks.</b>

“What about when I think its wrong about how he constantly b****es about gooks and n-ggers all the time? Am I still a maniac for thinking that's wrong? “

<b>How are you defining constantly? Is he allowed to stop for breath?</b>

“Keep digging. I guess it's obvious to anyone reading this post that you don't need me to tell everybody that you're into being a jackass.”

<b>I have a human birth certificate from Hermann Hospital.</b>

“Hey giddyup, since it's excusable to call hispanic people wetbacks in your opinion…”

<b>Foul! I said that wetbacks are wetbacks not that Mexican people en toto are wetbacks.</b>

“Hopefully his crusade to be able to use ethnic and racial slurs in polite society without condemnation will be successful, and then you can throw around terms like wetback, gook, and n-gger all you want”

<b>No one ever claimed there was any such goal to be able to “throw around terms.”</b>

“Now, this writer, who is black, doesn't want white dudes to run around and call him n-gger is a "super critic"?”

<b>Are you trying to assign this ambition to Nugent? You have no right. Nugent only seems to want to use this certain class of words when and where he sees fit… not randomly.</b>

“Wow, some of Ted Nugent's best (unnamed) musical friends are black! Sweet, and Strom Thurmond banged a black woman.”

<b>False. He provided the name of the first black man that addressed him so and gave him a better understanding that the word can be used in a non-hostile way.</b>

“Do these same musical friends let old Ted call them n-gger to their face, or refer to other blacks as n-ggers? I doubt he's ever had the balls to try, but I would guess not…”

<b>You’re over-stepping your bounds here. You don’t know.</b>

“Fine, you weren't being provocative, then you are simply an idiot…”

<b>I have a fairly high IQ but I won’t post it here out of modesty.</b>

“…if you don't recognize the wrongness of the use of term wetback when calling for the murder thereof, especially since 3 or 4 other posters besides me explained it to you.’

<b>and you are completely ignoring the connotation that the word has for illegal entry into the US. Oh that’s right, you enjoy taking advantage of the cheap labor so we’ll overlook that one!</b>

“I’m an Attention w****!”

<b>I’m neither female nor a w****.</b>

“I get frustratted when jackasses ramble on about how they should be able to use racial and ethnic slurs with abandon”

<b>Again an exageration. Nugent has said nothing about the rate with which he will use these terms. </b>

“Do you have an overpowring need to use them whenever you see black people?”
<b>And you want to accuse me of diverting the argument?!? This is about Nugent’s right to use a word when and where he feels it is appropriate.</b>

“Giddyup, you can't answer my question save for trite responses "there you go again" "censorship has many forms" that mean absolutely nothing.”

<b>You completely missed the point of “There you go again!” and censorship does have many forms. Are you still trying to deny this?</b>

 

<b>rimbaud</b>: I'm not hung up on dictionary definitions I posted it beause puedlfor said it "never" had such a meaning.

It's naive to think that a term like "wetback" is not as volatile in a place (i.e. Michigan) where it is not such an issue-- no Rio Grande River.

I don't support his racial slurs (in spite of SamFisher's attempts to lump me right in with Nugent), I support his right to use words that he considers appropriate. Please don't innacurately characterize what I said. It is a fact that sometimes words that can be slurs can also be used in alternative ways that are not slurs. The word had a literal, descriptive meaning no matter how much you want to render that illegitimate by whatever means.

It might be better to leave it at "illegal immigrant" but he is under no obligation to use language by your rules.

<b>Sam</b>: My point in cataloguing your exagerations and excesses was to point up your basic lack of fairness in being accurate with your criticism of me or of Nugent.

I dare you to come up with a similar laundry list of my contributions.

I didn't deny that it hurts to be called a "wetback." My implication is that if you are an illegal alien coming from across the river then you get what you deserve. You want to inextricably link it to ethnicity not me. That's my point. Surely, it has evolved into being dominated by that second, evolved meaning but it carries a dual meaning. Where did I say it wasn't offensive?

Sam, grow up and stop calling names... and stop trying to turn your incoherencies into mine.

<b>Batman</b>: Whatever. You still want to indict Nugent as a racist based on the flimsiest of evidence beause it suits your prejudice about him. Whoop-tee-doo!