Tabling the fact that illegal immigration makes your life cheaper and easier..... A PC Nazi? A nazi is a person who tells a stadium full of people to go out and kill people based on their ethnicity. If you don't understand how what he said was wrong, or how somebody might be offended by it besides a "PC Nazi", then you are either the least perceptive individual in the history of the Universe, or you get your kicks out of baiting people with racially inflammatory terms, or you're a straight up bigot. I hope for your sake its the middle option and you grow up some day, or somebody teaches you not to. Have a nice night.
Ask any Mexican American if they like being called "wetback" and I think they'll answer the "is it racist" question for you. It is a highly offensive term for Latinos - as offensive to them as the n-word is to blacks. I spent 6 years of my life surrounded by Latinos when I played Latin music and I can tell you for a fact it is not cool, ever.
He likes to use that word too. Gook also. He also said at a Houston concert that anyone who doesn't speak English should "get the **** out of the country." giddyup, you're a reasonable guy. But if you're still giving Ted Nugent the benefit of the doubt, you obviously haven't reading about him anywhere but on his site. I only posted the first link that came up. Google him. I promise you won't be calling him articulate or giving him the respect you are apparently giving him now. Farrakhan's got some stuff going for him too, but they're both hatemongers.
I didn't come whistling down this lane to be a defender of Nugent. I'm very unfamiliar with him except for the couple of times I've seen him on interview shows. Obviously, he didn't use ethnic slurs at those times. <b>Sam</b>: So you enjoy taking advantge of the cheap labor available because of illegal immigration? How tall is your horse? Be careful when you finally get down... if you do. <b>Jeff</b>: I don't use the term "wetback." Ted used it; I don't know the context, but "wetback" is a stylized term for an illegal alien. Seems like that word has a different meaning face-to-face. Nothing I've seen would have indicated that Nugent is a racist-- until I read the stuff here. I'm just trying to put it all together without hanging the guy out to dry first. <b>Batman</b>: You're right; I know very little about Nugent. That's why I posted here and, lo and behold, all I got is negative stuff. The interview I saw with him that prompted this thread was on the National Geographic Channel. It was predictably about environmental issues not immigration. That is the side of Nugent I was interested in hearing about... instead I get an avalanche of criticism about his racism. You all caught me off-guard and I'm not so quick to indict based on this little evidence.
Shift the focus all you want. I don't really care. Why don't you go discuss this issue and the use of the term wetback on Ted's website? You'll find a far more receptive audience to your view.
I believe Ted has his own radio show somewhere in Michigan? He's just another grand-standing conservative talk host boob riding Rush's coat tail. Just trying to shock people for ratings. And I'm a conservative!
Shift the focus? How about "make you aware of the full implications of what you are saying." Like it or not, wetback has a dual meaning: the original one which was quite literal and the ethnic slur which has evolved. Do you know which he meant? It's not my view, maniac. You are just too quick to condemn.
I'm a maniac because I think its wrong for some jackass to say that we should go out and shoot all the mexicans we see? What about when I think its wrong about how he constantly b****es about gooks and n-ggers all the time? Am I still a maniac for thinking that's wrong? I can't believe your persisting with defending this crap. I suppose you are getting a big kick out of seeing me get worked up over it, which I guess is why you're trying to play all cute with it. You should stop, because it's not very funny, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way. BTW, You're a big man doing all that behind the anonymity of a bbs. WHy don't you take a ride to East Houston and explain to the folks down there why they shouldn't be offeneded when Ted Nugent says to go kill all the wetbacks and they should give him the benefit of the doubt? This thread is done, as is any credibility you used to have.
giddyup, to be clear, I wasn't trying to start a fight at all. I've grown to like you and I totally think you're a reasonable guy no matter how often we disagree. I hope you don't think the raising of Nugent's record with regard to race was a derailment of any sort. You asked if anyone knew anything about him and I was surprised to find no one had posted about his controversial race remarks, as they are one of the things for which he is best known. I'd say hunting's one, racism two and Cat Scratch Fever three at this point in time. I don't live in NC and can't say what it's like, but in Texas "wetback" has always been a scornful term. It is spoken with no less contempt than "spic" or that "n" word we can't say here. Nugent knows this and uses the word to that purpose. And I say again that you might be able to cite thoughtful comments or even deeds from him, but you can do the same with Farrakhan. If David Duke participates in a Big Brother program you'll be hard pressed to discuss that without someone raising his less palatable past. And Hitler was a vegetarian. Keep reading up. At the end of the day, I doubt you'll be too high on the guy.
I'm pretty sure that although illegal immigration might have made my house more affordable, it's probably not helping my insurance costs, school taxes, or that six hour wait at the local emergency room.
giddyup: I know you are much smarter than that. You obviously are trying every way possible to defend a guy for really the indefensible. You've admitted you know nothing about the guy. Even a few conservatives have come in here and said what a jerkoff he is. Sources of his ridiculous behavior have been cited in here by several different people. Yet, somehow, the guy isn't what WE think he is? Ok, giddy, I'm guessing you're going to retract everything negative you may have said about the Dixie Chicks now. After all, you don't really know them as people either. Hell, at least they apologized, which is more than any of us can say for Terrible Ted.
You're a "maniac" because you are very prone to gross exageration and condemnation. Read what you've written for proof.
No problem with derailment. Threads have their own lives to lead based on the contributors not the thread-starter! If Nugent is as bad as you all say he is, he will definitely fall in my estimation. However, that is yet to be determined. I knew very little about him. I don't know his music, although Cat Scratch Fever (the title) is somewhat familiar. He's from Michigan, right? Maybe "wetback" is a different word up there. I don't know. I am disappointed by what you all have said about him. I found many of his attitudes refreshing. No one's perfect, I guess.
To be clear, giddyup, Ted Nugent knows exactly what wetback means and how it is perceived. And that's how, and more to the point WHY, he uses it. You're a little weird in this thread. Saying people are rushing to judgment, saying Nugent might not be perfect, etc. He's been a well known hatemonger for years now. And it wasn't a derailment. You asked if people knew about him and I said they did. And that he was a hemmorhoid of a man. You say you want to know more about him and I know you've got internet access. What's the delay? Do a quick search (I'm not talking about reading his own site) and see what people have been saying about him for years. And read his own quotes that he's been spewing for years. Neither SamFisher nor anyone else is rushing to judgment. This is a well documented matter of record. He's a scumbag.
I only know what I've seen. I've seen two interview myself and one link posted by Batman: 2 Positive and 1 Negative. ... and numerous opinions all of which were negative. I never said he wasn't what YOU think he is; I said that I would make up my own mind in due time. I don't remember saying too much negative about the Dixie Chicks. I left RM95 flummoxed when I said that we should be able to request refunds from entertainers who patently inject their political commentary into their performances. I didn't like Natalie Maines' comments in London and I wasn't convinced by her apology. Publicity Stunt. If she wants unexpectedly to hand out the criticism, she ought to be able to take it.
Keep digging. I guess it's obvious to anyone reading this post that you don't need me to tell everybody that you're into being a jackass.
I said that SamFisher, due to his open hostility (compare that to your tone and Jeff's tone) is rushing to judgement (about me). I called him a maniac, I believe. I commented that Nugent was not perfect as an understatement of the obvious. Aren't we all? I said it wasn't a derailment; the thread goes where it goes. I was looking for more content about environmental issues but that's okay.
I just always get a little irate when the media jumps all over a professed right-wing guy for a racist remark, but when left-wing folks like Sen. Byrd ("We've got to deal with these white ******s...."a quote he said something to effect in an interview) or anyone like that says anything, there's a pass given. I will say I belive what he said was wrong, but the 1st Amendment gives him the right to say whatever stupid things you care to utter. If people want to condemn him,that's fine, but if someone on the lefthand side of the dial does it, makes sure there is a similar amount of outrage.
