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Tech leaders urge pause in 'out-of-control' AI race

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    AI like chat gpt doesn’t have a body but it already has a vast wealth of data. That is what makes it possible. That is also a problem give them implicit biases in that data. That is why one of the fears of AI isn’t that it is inhuman but that is might actually be too human.
     
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    ...whatever it takes to stop the Biden Crime Family from taking over libraries, clinics and the p*rn industry...:rolleyes:
     
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    My vote goes to John Connor
     
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  9. Amiga

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    The arguments for open source AI going as fast as possible with as little government involvement (assitance or regulation) as possible... full 7000- words blog at the link.

    I think me made some good points, some silly points, and some illogical points.

    Why AI Will Save the World | Andreessen Horowitz (a16z.com)

    In our new era of AI:

    • Every child will have an AI tutor that is infinitely patient, infinitely compassionate, infinitely knowledgeable, infinitely helpful. The AI tutor will be by each child’s side every step of their development, helping them maximize their potential with the machine version of infinite love.
    • Every person will have an AI assistant/coach/mentor/trainer/advisor/therapist that is infinitely patient, infinitely compassionate, infinitely knowledgeable, and infinitely helpful. The AI assistant will be present through all of life’s opportunities and challenges, maximizing every person’s outcomes.
    • Every scientist will have an AI assistant/collaborator/partner that will greatly expand their scope of scientific research and achievement. Every artist, every engineer, every businessperson, every doctor, every caregiver will have the same in their worlds.
    • Every leader of people – CEO, government official, nonprofit president, athletic coach, teacher – will have the same. The magnification effects of better decisions by leaders across the people they lead are enormous, so this intelligence augmentation may be the most important of all.
    • Productivity growth throughout the economy will accelerate dramatically, driving economic growth, creation of new industries, creation of new jobs, and wage growth, and resulting in a new era of heightened material prosperity across the planet.
    • Scientific breakthroughs and new technologies and medicines will dramatically expand, as AI helps us further decode the laws of nature and harvest them for our benefit.
    • The creative arts will enter a golden age, as AI-augmented artists, musicians, writers, and filmmakers gain the ability to realize their visions far faster and at greater scale than ever before.
    • I even think AI is going to improve warfare, when it has to happen, by reducing wartime death rates dramatically. Every war is characterized by terrible decisions made under intense pressure and with sharply limited information by very limited human leaders. Now, military commanders and political leaders will have AI advisors that will help them make much better strategic and tactical decisions, minimizing risk, error, and unnecessary bloodshed.
    • In short, anything that people do with their natural intelligence today can be done much better with AI, and we will be able to take on new challenges that have been impossible to tackle without AI, from curing all diseases to achieving interstellar travel.
    • And this isn’t just about intelligence! Perhaps the most underestimated quality of AI is how humanizing it can be. AI art gives people who otherwise lack technical skills the freedom to create and share their artistic ideas. Talking to an empathetic AI friend really does improve their ability to handle adversity. And AI medical chatbots are already more empathetic than their human counterparts. Rather than making the world harsher and more mechanistic, infinitely patient and sympathetic AI will make the world warmer and nicer.
    ....

    The Baptists And Bootleggers Of AI
    Economists have observed a longstanding pattern in reform movements of this kind. The actors within movements like these fall into two categories – “Baptists” and “Bootleggers” – drawing on the historical example of the prohibition of alcohol in the United States in the 1920’s:

    • “Baptists” are the true believer social reformers who legitimately feel – deeply and emotionally, if not rationally – that new restrictions, regulations, and laws are required to prevent societal disaster. For alcohol prohibition, these actors were often literally devout Christians who felt that alcohol was destroying the moral fabric of society. For AI risk, these actors are true believers that AI presents one or another existential risks – strap them to a polygraph, they really mean it.
    • “Bootleggers” are the self-interested opportunists who stand to financially profit by the imposition of new restrictions, regulations, and laws that insulate them from competitors. For alcohol prohibition, these were the literal bootleggers who made a fortune selling illicit alcohol to Americans when legitimate alcohol sales were banned. For AI risk, these are CEOs who stand to make more money if regulatory barriers are erected that form a cartel of government-blessed AI vendors protected from new startup and open source competition – the software version of “too big to fail” banks.
    A cynic would suggest that some of the apparent Baptists are also Bootleggers – specifically the ones paid to attack AI by their universities, think tanks, activist groups, and media outlets. If you are paid a salary or receive grants to foster AI panic…you are probably a Bootlegger.

    The problem with the Bootleggers is that they win. The Baptists are naive ideologues, the Bootleggers are cynical operators, and so the result of reform movements like these is often that the Bootleggers get what they want – regulatory capture, insulation from competition, the formation of a cartel – and the Baptists are left wondering where their drive for social improvement went so wrong.

    We just lived through a stunning example of this – banking reform after the 2008 global financial crisis. The Baptists told us that we needed new laws and regulations to break up the “too big to fail” banks to prevent such a crisis from ever happening again. So Congress passed the Dodd-Frank Act of 2010, which was marketed as satisfying the Baptists’ goal, but in reality was coopted by the Bootleggers – the big banks. The result is that the same banks that were “too big to fail” in 2008 are much, much larger now.

    So in practice, even when the Baptists are genuine – and even when the Baptists are right – they are used as cover by manipulative and venal Bootleggers to benefit themselves.

    And this is what is happening in the drive for AI regulation right now.

    However, it isn’t sufficient to simply identify the actors and impugn their motives. We should consider the arguments of both the Baptists and the Bootleggers on their merits.

    ...

    What Is To Be Done?
    I propose a simple plan:

    • Big AI companies should be allowed to build AI as fast and aggressively as they can – but not allowed to achieve regulatory capture, not allowed to establish a government-protect cartel that is insulated from market competition due to incorrect claims of AI risk. This will maximize the technological and societal payoff from the amazing capabilities of these companies, which are jewels of modern capitalism.
    • Startup AI companies should be allowed to build AI as fast and aggressively as they can. They should neither confront government-granted protection of big companies, nor should they receive government assistance. They should simply be allowed to compete. If and as startups don’t succeed, their presence in the market will also continuously motivate big companies to be their best – our economies and societies win either way.
    • Open source AI should be allowed to freely proliferate and compete with both big AI companies and startups. There should be no regulatory barriers to open source whatsoever. Even when open source does not beat companies, its widespread availability is a boon to students all over the world who want to learn how to build and use AI to become part of the technological future, and will ensure that AI is available to everyone who can benefit from it no matter who they are or how much money they have.
    • To offset the risk of bad people doing bad things with AI, governments working in partnership with the private sector should vigorously engage in each area of potential risk to use AI to maximize society’s defensive capabilities. This shouldn’t be limited to AI-enabled risks but also more general problems such as malnutrition, disease, and climate. AI can be an incredibly powerful tool for solving problems, and we should embrace it as such.
    • To prevent the risk of China achieving global AI dominance, we should use the full power of our private sector, our scientific establishment, and our governments in concert to drive American and Western AI to absolute global dominance, including ultimately inside China itself. We win, they lose.
     
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    Personally I find that opinion piece very disturbing. The writer is a Baptist of a different sort essentially being John the Baptist of AI evangelizing AI with no consideration of downsides.

    To use the example they did yes Prohibition did cause problems and it allowed bootleggers to profit. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t downsides to alcohol. We regulate the use of alcohol including age restrictions on access to to it and limit when and where people can be intoxicated.

    The writer doesn’t address any of the potential dangers of and presents it as a panacea. They further portray those who support AI regulation as being essentially corrupt. They are just a true believer who are showing a dangerous naïveté as much as we’ve seen true believers in other things like social media, crypto currency or any other revolutionary technology. They can only see the upside without the potential dangers.
     
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    The aspirations posted seems infantile and childlike. Better warfare with less deaths results in temporary quagmire and eventual escalation. Military leaders generally bend to political pressure (or mutiny) and start to break ethical and legal taboos, some that were "hard coded" into the ai not to break...

    The other points are that ai will become our living best friend and helper, an Alfred to our Batman. Our culture is so geared towards convenience and instant self gratification that I can't Not see this as a slippery slope to slavery. People who didn't have slaves weren't all foaming racists from the beginning. Some were conscientious and curious of their slaves but were gradually desensitized and dehumanized from the experience of being the master. The entire household of all ages fell under the spell.

    AI will not be something where we can clear cache, restart the system, or bang the screen a few times to make it work again. It constantly remembers and with Moore's Law will gain hyper intelligence at one point or another. How we collectively treat it from now on will likely determine how it treats us over time. This is not a guaranteed DOOMED scenario.

    The chances are more likely that we will screw ourselves over with the the help of ai and other remarkable tools. The fears posed by AI ethicists are that humanity has a better chance of surviving nuclear winter than an unceasing imperative added into the ai to eradicate an enemy.

    Maybe instead of asking if AI is ready, we should ask if our throwaway consumerist culture is ready to be responsible users.
     
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    These dumb woke teacher of today are stupid

    Like I bet some Chinese kid who got into Berkeley is smarter than any woke math teacher in public high school

    I really think AI should teach children and police society

    just like that raised by wolves show
    @Xerobull

    and the cops could be ran by robots like Viki in iRobot with Will smith
     
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    Yes agree.

    The problem with AI is that it could do everything that writer says and it could still be bad. The dangers of even a benign AI are that it could act in what it believes are in our best interest but that makes it paternalistic and essentially infatalizes humanity.
     
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    The underlying message Progress fiends have is that our Here and Now is shite, so let's throw it all out to create a new Uber Utopia with unearned and untested promises of the next shiny thing.

    This era is worrying because of its growing size, scale and complexity but it's only because of our success and modern conveniences that we've come this far. Cue that Louis CK clip...

    AI shouldn't help us see and appreciate what's already in front of us, and neither will it ever be successful if given that task...
     
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    OpenAI thinks that SuperIntelligence AI will be here within this decade (by 2036) and it is very dangerous, potentially leading to human extinction.

    They announced yesterday in their blog that they will dedicate 1/5 of their computing resources to building Superalignment (alignment is a technique to "align" AI with human values) and solve the alignment problem within 4 years.

    Moonshot.


    https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment

    Introducing Superalignment
    We need scientific and technical breakthroughs to steer and control AI systems much smarter than us. To solve this problem within four years, we’re starting a new team, co-led by Ilya Sutskever and Jan Leike, and dedicating 20% of the compute we’ve secured to date to this effort. We’re looking for excellent ML researchers and engineers to join us.
     
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    I really recommend anyone concerned or even
    Interested in AI to read about Isaac Asimov’s Three Laws of Robotics, including the later addition of the zeroth law as a staring point for “Superalignment”.
     
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    what's the zeroth law?
     
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    “A robot may not injure a humanity through inaction, allow a humanity to come to harm.”
    The idea is that it allows a view of humanity not just as a collection of individuals but as a whole.
     

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