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Tech companies are bloated with leeches. Mass layoffs are necessary in many companies.

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Definitive proof.
     
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    Good insight of how your brain works and how you form conclusions. Kinda does explain a lot.
     
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    I knew those day in the life videos would get represented in this light lol.

    People in my field need to stop humble bragging on social media, the optics are ****ing terrible and we look like complete tools and there's a reason why people hate tech workers.

    There was also an article a while back about people complaining (at Meta or Google, don't remember) that they weren't doing laundry service on campus anymore as they were scaling back benefits. That content was front page and its honestly embarassing.

    How out of touch can you be when people are losing their jobs, income, inflation is hurting tons of families and you publicly complain and throw a fit about not getting free laundry service? I've met so many genuine people in this field, but the out of touch morons ruin it for all of us.

    EDIT: I know plenty of engineers and managers that work at FAANG, they live a good life (and it can get incredibly stressful) but the majority of them aren't just showing up eating food and doing nothing.
     
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    LOL that's not how I formed any conclusion. It's just an illustration of the issue I have been experiencing first-hand and have talked about with many of my peers.

    There is an inverse correlation between the sense of entitlement of employees in the tech world and how much they actually contribute.
     
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    I don't consider you a subject matter experts on this.

    And yes you use tweet anecdotes as the basis of many of your central premises and world views.
     
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    I think they were asked/incentivized to do it, to attract more new/top talent.

    It's also a really weird look to want people you don't know to lose jobs.

    And the job growth in tech was spurred on by the Fed's actions that began during the Trump administration.

    Instead of crying about people getting jobs, maybe buy the stock and benefit. But some would rather watch people suffer/burn than lift their own boat.
     
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    I have been through it all before. I started working in tech in 1999. The company I worked for (a JV between one of the largest US search engines/portals and a European media company) went public in March 2000. I spent time at the US HQ. They had all the stuff...massages at work, game rooms, etc., etc.

    People expected it all to be "normal", some became really entitled.

    When the dot com bubble burst, logically, the most entitled ones were the first ones guided off the premises by security.

    History tends to repeat itself.
     
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    I also have first hand experience here, and while I railed on some tech workers being tools, I don't think the amount of people coasting is really different from any other white collar industry from what I've seen.

    The layoffs I think are more of companies betting on 2021 growth extrapolating out versus just being a one time outlier. There were so many companies that doubled their headcount in a single year. Usually only growth-minded startups do that, companies the size of Meta / Google doing that is absurd. I've never had an easier interview experience than I did in early 2022 as an anecdote.
     
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    My brother is in computer science and I'm in mechanical engineering.

    His profession is naturally suited to stay at home work. My profession is 50/50. Some weeks I can stay at home and modify projects using Inventor and some weeks we have to be all hands on actually troubleshooting once the machinists machine our parts and the assemblers build them.


    My brother for two years straight has not had to step foot inside his office minus two times when there was a company party. And he makes more money than me. And I get even more jealous when I actually see that his work lifestyle allows him to literally play multiplayer fps games in the middle of down time or take a nap in his bed for a couple of hours because software development be like that. Some days you have to crunch for deadlines and you work 17 hours straight and some days you have like 3 hours of work to be done.

    And that has nothing to do with my brother being entitled. It's just the nature of software development and if ATW had any clue about the nature of software development (the cycle between crunch and downtime), he would shut his mouth.
     
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    Yes, I can say from the opposite side (being the CEO of a scaleup) that some of the demands of people, and the way they were being presented, were just ridiculous. I have seen people leave and slam the door shut behind them, then being fired pretty quickly at their new place, and seen them come crawling back or changing their LinkedIn job status to "open to work". The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
     
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    This conversion is rich from people here writing 100 posts an hour on Clutchfans during the work week. We can only assume that ATW works in tech lol.
     
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    I'm an incredibly fast typer and one of my few strong talents is multitasking.

    Also, to be clear, I am far from saying all or even the majority of folks in tech are entitled, woke assholes. But the percentage of them has increased too much. And you really want to weed these people out before they destroy the company from the inside. Trust me, this is an issue everywhere in tech companies.
     
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    I'm also the CEO of a start up. I declared it today.
     
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    What technical knowledge do you have in regards to software development cycles?
     
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    ok
     
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    We do have some things in common like both being CEOs so it's these shared mutual things that we have in common that might alleviate our differences.
     
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    There should be a woke test for every employer to weed them out.

    An example questions can be "Do you believe there is a targeted agenda to turn all kids trans?"

    "No".

    "We got a wokeist here"
     
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    Im sure you have many talents. I’m very impressed.

    As someone who worked in tech/saas, I think the biggest issue is IPO money and going public too fast. You have a massive influx of cash and a huge mandate to grow into untested markets fast. Often you are hiring for alot of theoretical growth areas and things change fast when there is evidence that certain projects aren’t viable. You have highly skilled people already on the pay roll and hiring is very expensive. So it’s the better decision to look at a bunch of workers and figure them into whatever the pivot is or folding them into your core business where they might be redundant now but useful after attrition or expanding growth in your core business.

    So I don’t think it’s the problem you think it is based on this article. Tech companies almost all know what groups are profitable and which are drains. There’s almost always a reason though that a decision is made not to just axe hundreds or thousands of workers in this space. Mostly cause hiring is a freaking bigger drain of resources.
     
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    Tesla is a great example of this. Extreme over inflated stock values even though the company outputs a small percentage of what companies like Ford or Toyota output.

    As soon as people figure out things like autopilot are never going to work and when other manufacturers catch up to the charging infrastructure that Tesla has, that company is going down the drain
     
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