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Team Argentina

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by TeamUSA, Apr 7, 2008.

  1. El_Conquistador

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    Honestly none of those players would even MAKE Team USA.
     
  2. robbie380

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    ginobili would but your point about talent is certainly clear.
     
  3. El_Conquistador

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    Which small forward or shooting guard is he going to beat out? Lebron? Paul Pierce? Carmelo? Kobe? D-Wade?

    I honestly don't think he even makes the team.
     
  4. Jonhty

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    in any one game, he can outplay those guys, see his game against bron this year...international game is a short tournament and manu can be as good as those guys.
     
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    well from the 2007 FIBA roster i would put him over redd, miller, and melo. is everyone actually playing in the olympics this year? and yes i really do like manu over carmelo.
     
  6. deekay209

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    Basketball is a team game, and these guys have played together for many years. I think they would be a playoff team in the East.
     
  7. Alvin Choo

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    lets just list the starting PF for all the teams in the western conference.

    Hornets- West
    Spurs- Duncan
    Lakers- Radmanovic
    Jazz- Boozer
    Suns- Amare
    Mavs- Dirk
    Nuggets- Kenyon Martin
    Warriors- Harrington
    Blazers- Aldridge
    Kings- Moore
    Memphis- Warrick
    Clippers- Brand
    Sonics- Collison
    Wolves- R.Gomes

    I counted 6 guys that i would have pick before scola, 7 if you counted Gasol.

    Thats right in the middle, not to mention that scola is better than all the other bench players.

    And dont you know? The consensus around spurs are that manu is the most influential player in the team for this season.
     
  8. El_Conquistador

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    West, Duncan, Boozer, Dirk, Kenyon Martin, and Brand are easily superior to Scola. Harrington and Aldridge are tossups, although neither team would trade Harrington or Aldridge for Scola, that's for sure. So if there are 14 teams, he's not in the top half. My statement stands.
     
  9. DrNuegebauer

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    K-Mart is "easily superior"?

    I doubt we'd give up Scola to bring back Martin.
    Same goes for Harrington.

    I'd add Amare to those 'easily better' than Scola though - although it IS his first season in the league, and he HAS been playing alongside the best centre in the league (which hampers his production of numbers just a little bit).

    In the games he's started this year, Scola has averaged 12.5 and 7.5 - not bad for a rookie PF (who has played most of his games alongside the most dominant centre in the game at the moment).

    Jorge I hear you saying that Scola won't be any better in future seasons than he currently is this season? If that happens then you win the argument - but I findit hard to believe he won't improve at all..
     
  10. TeamUSA

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    KMart is superior? I even think Spurs will be better with Scola in the squad insstead of Duncan now.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    And the fact that they play AS A TEAM mitigates some athletic deficiencies.

    DD
     
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    which may enable them to win nearly 30 NBA games. Because 1-15 they are weaker than the Bobcats.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    They would be a playoff team in the NBA...either confernce......

    They understand how to play as a team.......which is why they are a threat in the Olympics too...where we have teams that have Kobe, and Lebron, and Wade etc...on them...

    DD
     
  14. Alvin Choo

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    your statement is ALL pfs.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Not even close. They would be the worst team in the NBA most likely.

    But not surprising given that you are obsessed with white players and international players.

    By this logic the Kansas Jayhawks would also be an NBA playoff team.

    Their record in international play is not really that relevant - as has been pointed out, they beat the US once in their last 6 tries, under a favorable rule set in a short-format tournament. The US had no trouble dispatching a full strenght argentine team in 2006.

    They have one good player, who has never had to carry an NBA team over 82 games, a couple of good role players who are average starters at best in Scola, Oberto, Nocioni, and a bunch of bench, deep bench, Non-NBA talent rounding out the rest. 82 games is a long time - it's pretty much 72 games longer than any tournament that these guys have ever played together. Playing 48 minutes a night. Under NBA rules. Against NBA players. Hope they got a good trainer because they got no depth. Zero. I mean, there's a reason why Ruben Wolykowski is no longer in the Association. It's not cause he was too good.

    But oh - they play a a TEAM. Yeah - guess what. So do Houston, Phoenix, Dallas, San Antonio, Boston, Detroit, Golden State, New Orleans etc etc etc etc etc. These teams are together for just as long as Argentina, for the most part, and play more games together. Maybe the only teams that don't "play as a team" are the ones that have essentially given up (Knicks, etc).

    I know that you see a bunch of white guys on the court and think that they have magic fundamentals channeled throught from hickory high, but it's not reality. I know this isn't going to change your mind but it's not.
     
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    :sigh: if only delfino played to the level he is capable of.

    but to answer the question, I think they would win the NBA championship if the season only lasted 30 games and playoffs were single game elimination.
     
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    The only problem that's even worth debating is endurance through 82 games. Any doubts about skill, talent or teamwork are absurd. Given the loleasternconference, I think they'll be fine

    Okay? I guess your idea is that a bunch of ghetto kids who can't read at the 6th grade level are automatically superior basketball players than these "white guys from hickory high" right? :rolleyes: I love how we all tend to shrug off these white jokes
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Sam,

    I don't know why you keep persisting on mentioning a players race, what does that matter?

    You keep trying to prepetuate something that just isn't there.

    I prefer a style of basketball that is team play oriented.....not skin tone oriented.


    As for Argentina, they have great team chemistry, a go to guy in Manu, and the rest of the guys play extremely well together and compliment each other well.

    It is a reason they are almost as much of a threat at the Olympics as our star studded team USA.

    Team ball triumps over better individual talent.....all the time.


    Amazing that you continue to toss around lies and stereotypes about people....

    It is sad, really.

    I forget is Mike Harris a white guy?

    DD
     
  19. TeamUSA

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    It's ok DD, we all know here who's gay or not.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    Why are any doubts about skill and talent absurd? You showed me a roster of 3-4 role players, 1 good player, and a bunch of bench fodder & non NBA-level talnet - and you're telling me that it's absurd to not believe they have championship potential?

    Talk about absurd....
    Oh is this a poor white man routine? Trust me, there's plenty of white players in the NBA that are better than most of the Argie national team too. I mean Chris Kaman would eat Ruben Wolykowski's lunch. I hope that makes you feel better. But assuming that they have some magic fundamental briliance because they "play as a TEAM" isn't going ot make up for that lack of talent.
     

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