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Tea party ideology, and what it will lead to

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rhadamanthus, Sep 27, 2011.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    I agree that it is wrong to stereotype the entire tea party as racist and religious nests. But the tea party is more racist than even the Republican party, so it is worth looking into. They are also more fundamentalist religiously.

    As for your comparison to Democrats it's interesting that communist is generally considered bad, but being a vegan or homosexual aren't really negatives.
     
  2. esteban

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    Rocketman 1981, I showed Mrs Esteban this tread as she is waiting for a connecting flight to Europe. Two things you don't mess with Mrs Esteban just because she's happened to be an expert at:

    1) SOX
    2) Oil & Gas Industry

    Mrs Esteban is a CPA by trade, an expert in SOX and currently a controller for a big oil & gas corporation. She speaks 5 languages fluently, has an MBA and PHD from Cornell. She was laughing so hard at the lefties that are debating you. She told me you're the only one that knows what you're talking about and why are you even bother debating with these people? I explained to Mrs Esteban that the D&D is like that, full of brilliant lefties who are a legend in their own minds. Any conservative that comes in here no matter how successful, educated or intelligent they seem will always be labelled as: dumb, ignorance, racist, heartless, toothless redneck ect... .

    Carry on...
    ESTEBAN
     
  3. SamFisher

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    I took this post and showed to a certain elderly lady whose name rhymes with "Derp Bomb" . She is a CPA-EMT-OB-GYN by trade, an expert in SOX and OCP and Windows95, and currently a CHIEF controller for a MASSIVE Social Energy Networking Conglomerate, and speaks 17 languages fluently which she learned merely lipreading Dikembe Mutumbo and watching old Shaw Brothers Kung Fu movies with an MBA and PHD and MD from Harvard - Oxford - Great Library of Alexandria - Universal Technical Institute. She was laughing so hard that she actually lost control of her Depends and threw them at the screen.
     
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  4. esteban

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    Damn Sammy, that is some funny shat, you're still my favorite lefty!
     
  5. Blake

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    Not a Barry supporter (nor GWB for that matter), but this is a totally ridiculous post.

    Please tell me what Barry had to do with the financial crisis. If ANYTHING, the banks should be REGULATED and this kind of $hit won't happen again. Guess what? they are still doing the SAME f'ing thing and derivitaves are out of control yet again

    What exactly would a republican president have done over the past 3 years to pull us out of the crash caused by little to no financial regulation and a credit bubble that was WAY out of control and subsequently burst. I didn't see republicans crying wolf when we were openly calling for more and more outsourcing to other countries for cheap labor and squeezing the middle class.

    Also, regarding inexperience, GW was the governor of Texas, a job that requires little to no actual work, as the Lt. Governor does most of everything
     
  6. mc mark

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    And he is still going to be re-elected.

    Maybe if the joke of a party that is the republican party could bring themselves to act like adults they might could come up with a candidate that wouldn't be a laughing stock to the country.
     
  7. mc mark

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    As Jon Stewart said recently

    “Republican base….have you ever considered the possibility that maybe your candidates aren’t the problem?” “Maybe it’s you?”
     
  8. Rocketman1981

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    I actually agree with some of that the Republicans bring horrible candidates to stage.

    McCain was a disaster, Palin and Bachmann are just not experienced enough to be President and many succumb to the nutjobs in the party, though the same can be said about the democrats.

    Thats why I like Romney. The credentials and history of success on virtually every level is why I think he could beat Obama. He has a history of viewing his surroundings and being flexible as per his environment, turning around large multi-national organizations and more.

    I just don't see how someone could stack up Obama's failures as president compared to Romney's diverse and strong track record.
     
  9. Rocketman1981

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    Well as your wife and others must actually work in commerce and create the jobs and the taxes that fund the teachers, lawyers and artists that make up the extremely liberal flock here, I appreciate her comments.

    Most in the CFO offices and admistrative offices understand the costs of SOX and other regulations that stifle our ability to create jobs.

    There can be talk and talk and rhetoric, but at the end of the day businesses aren't hiring and company after company after company say they are adversely affected by regulatory uncertainty, taxation, future healthcarea costs and of course weakened demand.

    But just as idiots in the Republican debate believe Osama hated us because we're free, idiots in the Democratic side don't believe what business is telling us then are appalled that the government can't create jobs.
     
  10. mc mark

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    I don't want to derail, but I'm curious about these failures you allude too. But that's for another thread.

    And I agree that Romney is by far the best choice for a candidate. It's just too bad that in today's environment he stands a snowball's chance to win the nomination.
     
  11. Rocketman1981

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    Hate to break it to all you people here but the government will never be able to create enough jobs to lower our unemployment rates. Their subsidies to alternative energy companies will ultimately have a net-negative effect on job creation (as others pay higher prices energy based on solar/wind etc. mandates).

    Their policies are failing and therefore Americans continue to be in the worst job environment in a generation.

    Businesses have little access to capital, consumers have little faith in the system and jobs are not present.

    Lets just be straight and say that in the three years since Obama took office, he has failed to rectify the situation.
     
  12. mc mark

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    MA was ranked 47th out of 50 states for job creation while Romney was gov.
     
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    Also, more jobs have been created in the last 3 years then all of the 8 years of the last administration.

    [​IMG]

    but again, I'm derailing, sorry
     
  14. Rocketman1981

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    I hope Romney does win the nomination and am supporting his campaign myself and through sponsoring get togethers on his behalf.

    The failures of the Obama Administration are evident in the continued prolongued unemployment rate, the lack of confidence given to American Businesses to hire, the implementation of plans detrimental to business, the lack of liquidity available to American Businesses and consumers and greatest of all the lack of faith of Americans that we will get out of this.

    He has had 3 years to rectify this financial malaise. His heavy handedness with banks, forced them to pay back TARP to quickly which weakened the banking systems ability to provide liquidity and support to companies, his implementation of a healthcare plan that businesses feel will affect their cost structures and just lack of clarity has stifled this economic turnaround when he could have used the government to help.

    The belief that government will save our economy is silly, but they can add wind to the sails or detract from it. In this case instead of helping commerce to recover, the policies hindered it.
     
  15. Rocketman1981

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    Uhhh....lets look at Unemployment rates.

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
     
  16. Rocketman1981

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    Unemployment rates went from around 5.5% to around 4.5% when Romney left.

    Even today Mass unemployment is only 7.4% compared to over 9% nationally.
     
  17. glynch

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    30 plus years of reducing the working class's real pay by 1% a year ala waiting for trickle down has finally caught up with folks and they want to blame someone. They could blame the wealthy elite and their middle class supporters in the libertarian and conservative crowd, but instead they blame, intellectuals, educated liberal professionals, minorities, immigrants, gays, whomever.

    Their pain is real and it will only get worse. We are heading for an explosion of either activism by the middle and lower classes to regain their lost share of the pie or fascism or something less constructive.

    The rage is building and nobody can predict when and how it will be expressed.
     
  18. Rocketman1981

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    Are you crazy? People for 30 years were living much better than they did in the 1970's. This recession withstanding, we're living in a hi-tech world in which people are living better and better than ever.

    The cost of food and goods have fallen, unemployment rates were low and overall US strength grew in the world. This recession hasn't turned around yet probably because some of the principals you constantly bark.

    The pie has grown and all have benefitted. Those that started companies and the globalization has allowed for some to become super rich but ALL have been pulled along for the ride.

    To say that people in the 1970's were living better in real terms because they had a higher percentage of all income is just silly.
     
  19. Johndoe804

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    Actually, Ron Paul warned Congress in a speech given in July of 2002 that regulation of the financial and housing markets would cause a bubble, "because the special privileges of Fannie, Freddie, and HLBB have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions." (Ron Paul, July 2002)

    You act as though financial markets aren't regulated. In fact, that isn't the case at all. The interest rate for various types of borrowing is heavily influenced by the Federal Reserve's actions as well as other regulation overseeing particular types of loans (student loans, mortgages, etc.). What exactly is the moral issue with selling investments that derive their value from other financial assets on the market?
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    The march of science, technology, and innovation is inevitable and is not an accurate measuring stick for standard of living in this discussion. This is a discussion about how people lived *relative to their peers*, not a discussion about ipods vs. record players. I can't believe you would say something like this and hope to be taken seriously.


    Not really. We've gotten better at producing goods and food, but the adjusted cost of goods and services has remained relatively the same, if not a little higher now, actually.

    Absolutely false.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...l-group-says-family-incomes-grew-equally-pri/

    Income inequity is wildly out of control, and has been for some time now. When the majority of the wealth is so overly concentrated at one end of the scale, you don't get "pulled along for the ride", you essentially end up getting "left behind", as is the case with the middle class. Or in the case of the lower class, you get "pushed backwards".

    Uh, no it isn't. The middle class was bigger and the poverty rate was smaller. That means, on average, more people were living better lives.
     
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