nevermind his double standard with islam. his double standard with a black congresswomen and the tea party is telling too. it's just the laughable cherry on top of the sundae of crap that giddyup's been trying to sell for years. he starts a thread demanding us liberals explain a stupid comment made by a black democratic congresswoman, then has the nerve to sit here and take this stance today.
What double-standard? Let the crime fit the punishment. That's not a double-standard. That's common sense. One group seeks to murder innocents; one group doesn't have the means to exclude some members. I didn't start that thread begging an explanation... because there could be none. I started it because it was funny and hopelessly revealing and I wanted to see the back-pedaling... which I got in droves.
What a group does or doesn't do has zero to do with whether or not the groups try and stomp out extremism. But because the tea party can't get rid of every single racist doesn't excuse them from not trying to get rid of any at all. You make excuses for people and groups you like, and don't do the same for people and groups you dislike. It's a huge double standard on your part.
Again, did you read the article I posted. There were Tea Partiers objecting to (a.k.a. protesting) the very event you keep referring to over and over and over and over and over. We all make excuses for that which we like and decline excuses for those we don't. I have been guilty of playing the Byrd card before....... .but, my God, it's been more than fifty years!!!!!!!!!! Seems like the Tea Partiers should get at least a decade...
They weren't protesting that event because Tancredo gave a racist speech though. The tea party is doing nothing to stop the racism in its midst. If I was part of a movement that continued to do nothing about the racism regardless of what other issues I agreed with, I would do something myself, or leave the group.
Here's Robert Byrd in 2005 admitting that it took him until 1982-4 to realize that voting against the Civil Right Act of 1964 was wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1pkiOJJdgc That's a long leash you gave him there.... TPers have done nothing so heinous.
So you're going to give the tea party 20 years to come clean for the racist statements they are making today ?
Ok, so since the Tea Party hasn't been around that long, it's ok for them to have racists and radicals who advocate killing those who don't agree with them. But since Islam has been around a lot longer, then it's immoral. So it's ok to be immoral if you are as a group kinda new? Inexperience = license to be racist and such. Spurious logic there. But at least you have clarified your stance.
I haven't given Robert Byrd any leash at all. Not a long one nor a short one. The only thing I said is that he has made a lot of effort to atone for his mistakes. Tea baggers aren't even admitting they have mistakes. Robert Byrd has nothing to do with whether or not the tea baggers are making even the slightest effort to address their problem with racism. I don't condone Byrd's racist past in the slightest. It's odd that you are trying to portray me as some kind of Robert Byrd fan club president when I haven't said anything about him. You're the one who brought him up.
No, I'm just pondering aloud for the sake of fairness why there is such a harshness toward the tea partiers when Byrd has never been run out of town on a rail. I mean Byrd is a freakin' US Senator and by his own words was Senate Majority Leader when he had the revelation that his 30-year stance on racism was ugly and destructive: 7 years as a member of the House and almost 25 years as a US Senator. These tea partiers who are so objectionable are not US senators; they are a gaggle of citizens who object to the direction that the country is taking. Yes, a few are over the top and organizationally the tea partiers have made some poor choices but how/why do you expect instant accord from a loose coalition of people when one man wielding much more power adhered to his ugly ideas.... and was tolerated and not run out of office? Talk about double standards!
No. Who have the tea partiers advocated killing? You are confused here. First you accuse me of saying it's okay for the tea partiers "to have racists and radical who advocate killing those who don't agree with them" and then you back off and say I am granting them a "license to be racist and such." Can you clarify what you want to say here? And while you're at it, show me where I advocated such behavior. Thanks.
Here's one for you: the guy who has been fronting the anti-tea party movement has been suspended because the accusations are that he was using school time and material to further his cause. You're a public school teacher, right? What are you doing to (take your pick) make sure that the punishment sticks or get him out of his mess. I mean you are both teachers, right? You even share a harsh dislike for the tea partiers. What are you doing about it? And I mean now. Results! If you are not a teacher, pretend that you are and answer the same demands...
The Tea Party has advocated spilling the blood of tyrants and patriots - that's advocating killing, unless they are talking about using leeches. They have also threatened senators and house members - yes with death threats. So it's there buddy - you just choose to ignore it. Bill Clinton just wrote a long op-ed piece about Oklahoma City bombing and how the Tea Party was fostering the elements of another one. I think the Tea PArty is very much heading in an extremist group direction vs. a legitimate political party.
I'm a teacher who works for schools. The schools have taken action by suspending the guy. Something is being done by the organization of schools to take action. So something is actually being done. Again the same isn't true of racists within the tea party. There are problems with this teacher if he is indeed guilty of using school material and time, and there are problems with tea party members shouting racial slurs, making racist posters, inviting racist speakers to their conventions. We see that both sides have apparent problems. The difference is that the teacher is actually suspended. One side took action to hopefully remedy the problem. That would be the side with the teacher. The other side has done absolutely nothing to remedy the problem, other than attempt to minimize, deny, or ignore the problem all together. Thank you for pointing out the clear difference in the reaction of two different sides.
One clear line of responsibility, right? What is the corresponding clear line of responsibility to bring order to the tea parties? How about other means of removal for Byrd? What was ever done? What did those moaning loudest about the tea partiers ever do about Byrd over those many decades? He was the Senate Majority Leader not some loudmouth in a park somewhere... Doesn't it make this current criticism of tea partiers seem kind of prejudiced?
Surely, the difference is a contract signed by the teacher. What mechanism is there analgously to deal with the loudmouth in the park? I still want to know what you did, though... because you seem to be insisting that someone like me (not even a tea party participant) do something about that loudmouth in the tea party at the park somewhere while this teacher was abusing his contract for months and you did nothing about it..... do you see how unreasonable your demand is?
giddy, get off the Byrd trip. It isn't the same. By the way our society has progressed(at least in general) since Byrd's Klan days. What society might have seen as more tolerable back then, isn't the case now. We've learned better. What happened with Byrd, or didn't happen has nothing to do with the fact that no tea party group has made any real attempt to stamp out the racism in the tea party.
giddy, I'm not insinuating that you could do anything, other than admit the tea party doesn't seem to be at all concerned with it's racist members. I only even said anything along those lines after you started talking about tea baggers that you've met. As far as I know you aren't a tea bagger. I don't expect you to do anything. I'm not sure why you feel that was what I was asking. My demand isn't for you personally to do crap, other than admit the facts. I'll happily say that the teacher who used school resources and time for his political doings should be punished. You keep coming back to the lack of central organization in the tea party. I'm aware of that. But if the tea party groups can organize and band together for some things like a convention or federation why can't some of the groups(any of the groups) organize to combat the racism amongst their members?
