TCU average home attendace: 38,185.5 Cinci average home attendance: 33,956 Yes, I know that TCU's stadium is bigger than Cincinatti's.
There is "no way" there will be controversy? Really? I wonder what people in Cincinatti would say to that - I think you're being a little too Texas-centric. A Cincy win over Florida gets them higher in all the final computer Polls than TCU would ever be, since they were higher coming in - and TCU's SOS is probably still behind Texas after beating Florida if Texas beats Alabama. How do they then have "just as impressive a resume" - in that scenario? They beat the once-beaten #5 team in the nation, while the other team just took down the SEC champion undisputed #1. There was no serious controversy last year when Utah performed the same feat. Who cares how much bigger Cincy is? See the post above - it rarely sold out its tiny stadium either. If the people in the FIesta Bowl said they didn't want CIncy because they don't travel well - I don't see why I shouldn't believe them....are you actually pushing the conspiracy theory that you disclaimed earlier?
Nationally, the universal consensus on Saturday night was that Texas or TCU should be in the national title game - not Cincinnati. That was both in the public vote that ESPN took as well as all the analysts that discussed it that night. That also showed up in the poll voting where TCU was a solid #3. The reason that there wouldn't be much of a controversy is that Cinci has had its share of close calls, and right or wrong, hasn't had the "look" of a national champion because of their defense. TCU, on the other hand, has been ridiculous dominant, especially the last half of the season. Texas would have the better win over Alabama, but Texas only has one other ranked win. TCU's wins over Utah and BYU give it a similar top-of-the-resume to Texas. Keep in mind - this was/is assuming TCU destroyed Florida while Texas squeaked by Alabama. The computers are irrelevant because no one looks at final computer ratings when voting for national titles. Of course not - Utah was ranked #6 going into that game ranked behind 5 1-loss teams, and no one thought them deserving of the national title game. Even then, Utah got 25% of the first place votes in the final AP Poll. Now imagine a team starting at #3 that lots of people thought was as good as #1/#2 in the same situation. How many votes do you think they could get? Where did the Fiesta Bowl say they didn't want Cincinnati because they don't travel well? You said they picked TCU as their first choice. Do you think they did that because TCU does travel well?
The Texas TCU resume isn't close at all. TCU plays consistently worse teams than texas. Most major ranking sites (based on records of the teams and not on random opinion) put Texas at least 30 spots higher than TCU in SOS and sometimes more. The fiesta bowl said they avoided Iowa and Cincy because they are 1,000 miles further from Arizona than Boise and TCU. The thought was that they would be more likely to get people who travel from those schools since it would be so much cheaper. On top of that, TCU is an expensive private school so I think it is reasonable to assume that many of their fans have the means to travel should they want to. As someone pointed out, Cincy sold really poorly last year to be in a BCS bowl and for a team that had not been in a BCS conference for more than a few years, that is really telling despite what the matchup was. I think if we see the same sales numbers, the Fiesta bowl will get some vindication. All that being said, I would have rather seen TCU play florida and Cincy play Boise but given the order of select in the bowls, the way it worked out made the most sense.
BUMP From an espn article TCU dominated the Mountain West. How good is the MWC? It was difficult to know during the season since many of its games were cleverly hidden from national television cameras, but you know if you've watched the bowl games. The MWC is 4-0 so far, and every victory has been a spectacular, take-notice statement. Wyoming was a 10-point underdog against Fresno State and scored a one-touchdown upset. Brigham Young was a three-point underdog against Oregon State and dominated the Beavers by 24. Utah was a 2½-point dog to California and won by 10. Air Force was a 4½-point underdog to Houston and won by 27. TCU's average margin of victory over those four conference opponents? An emphatic 24 points. The Frogs didn't just win big games; they dominated big games. But don't forget the nonconference work as well. TCU beat Clemson on the road in September; the Tigers won the Music City Bowl over Kentucky. TCU handled SMU easily in October; the Mustangs won the Hawaii Bowl over Nevada in a rout. The Frogs were 6-0 against bowl-bound opponents -- and all six of those teams now have won their bowls. How you like 'em now?
wanted to watch this live....but 4 in the morning game....when it's 1:20am now, and work in 6hrs....blah. DVR in tx, watching it in a week. Go Frogs!
Nice. 6-0 against bowl teams, and those teams are 6-0. Hope TCU does as well next year, as I'd really like them to stick it to the BCS.
perhaps that has something to do with BCS conference schools scheduling weaker MWC teams as their "non-conference" games
If TCU loses tonight to Boise St., all of this BS about TCU being the best college football team in Texas better stop.
I suspect that is what will happen. Too much complaining about how much better they are than this, and how they deserve more. If the coaches and players buy into any of that (and I've seen some frog quotes that seem to indicate they do) they will lose this game all while telling themselves that this game is beneath them. Shouldn't happen, but they may let it go just like that. We'll see. I'm pickin' Boise... but then, I have two wins to catch up in my bowl pick league, and I gotta go a lil' rogue on this.
I don't know anyone from TCU (and I went there) who has been saying that we are the best team in Texas. I've only heard people saying we deserved a shot as well like in a playoff type deal.
I don't know about people from TCU but pretty much any fan of a team in Texas not named UT has been spouting this line all season (this is after they couldn't say that UH was better than UT).
I don't remember seeing many people say that. They said TCU's record/performance gives them a legit argument to be in the title game, just as much, or greater than UT. But I don't see anyone claiming flat out that TCU is better than Texas. But even if they did, why wouldn't they have that right to say that? Why does UT get to claim to be better than TCU and TCU can't say the same? Do these teams play each other? No? Well, guess they're both allowed to run their mouths then until one of them loses. Thanks, BCS!
