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TaxRefundSeason: So how much do you expect to get?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by TeamUSA, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. rrj_gamz

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    Repeat after me: I owe nothing and I pay nothing...

    It's your money you're getting back...Earn interest yourself...Just try and adjust/manage your W-4 (withholding) so you get $0 back and owe close to $0...sad to say, but I think may get some $$ back...maybe a $1000...

    And just for good measure, make sure you max your 401K by the end of year (12/31/XX)...That way you can max out your company match if you have one...If you max out too early, you get no company match...
     
  2. Icehouse

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    Ok, does this make any sense or am I totally off? Assume I lose $100 a month by letting the IRS make interest off of me. If I let them “screw me”, then I will get a $1,200 refund (refunds aren’t taxed). If I get my money and don’t put it in a tax-free vehicle, then I have to pay tax on it. Assume my rate is 15%, so I only get $85 back. So over the course of the year I have collected $1,020. Even if I made 15% interest off of that entire amount (which I won’t since it’s coming monthly), then I get an extra $153…which brings me to $1,173 total…still less than my refund. And that’s assuming I save it all…right?

    Now I understand the argument of having the option to use your money throughout the year, but I don’t think the interest you will make off of it is that significant.
     
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  4. Pushkin

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    I think your logic is incorrect. I think you only pay an extra 15% (if that is your tax rate) on the interest you earn. For example, if you saved that $100 per month and it earned 5% interest, at the end of the year you would have earned interest of about $30. You would then have to pay tax on that additional earnings of $4.50. You would be ahead by $25.50, which is not a lot, but every little bit helps.

    When I was young and taxes were simple, I would try to owe the most possible, without paying a penalty. Now that has become too difficult and tricky with the AMT and my wife being self-employed, which allows us to have until April 15 to contribute to her individual 401k. I cannot even figure out how much to contribute to her 401k until after the year ends.

    I expect we will get a refund of about $6,000, but first we must contribute about $13,000 to her 401k.
     
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    I owe about $400.
     
  6. Icehouse

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    Yes, but when you receive that $100 per month it is taxed unless you have it in a tax-free vehicle. If you get it back in a refund you get the full $100. If it’s taxed (say at 15%) then you only get $85. So you need to make $15 in interest every month just to break even.

    Now you do get the benefit of using that $85 immediately, as opposed to waiting till the next year to use the lump sum.
     
  7. tim562

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    I just got back $1400 this morning. That was fast. I filed Sunday night
     
  8. Rockets Red Glare

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    Does not work that way. Let's say you earn $1,000 for the year all taxed at 15% you would owe $150 in tax. However for example 1 you paid in $250, therefore you get a refund of $100 & for example 2 you paid just right amount of $150 and get no refund but get to invest the $100 you did not pay in example 1 and earn 10% on the money. Lets look at how you end up in each example:

    Example 1:

    Net Wages $750 ($1,000 -$250 in withholding)
    Tax Refund 100

    Total $ 850
    Total Tax 150

    Example 2:

    Net Wages $850 ($1,000 -$150 in withholding)
    Tax Refund 0
    Interest 10 (100 x 10%)

    Total $ 858.50
    Total Tax 151.50 (includes tax on interest 10 x 15%)
     
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