Taxpayers may have to cover octuplet mom's costs (she goes into hiding)

That's a really nice way of saying people are shallow, callous, and dumb.

 

Possibly not people individually but as a society yes.

Why do we obsess over celebrities? Why do you think politicians always look to put a face on any sort of issue they are talking about? As a society and culture we are more captivated by individuals and individual stories than we are by statistics.

 

Yep. What is the difference between mandating 1 or 2 children per family and setting some other limit, regardless of what that limit is? Limiting a person to 6 children (or 8 or 10 or 12 or whatever) is exactly the same as limiting them to 1 or 2. Obviously the numbers are different, but in both cases the government is limiting your inherent right to pro-create.

 

Aspects of demagoguery or the appearence of ochlocracy does not indemnify the individual from culpability.

 

Now you're making me pull out a dictionary.

 

Sorry.

Passion an' mob rule don't make you innocent, son.

 

is this a joke? do you want would-be parents to apply for permits from a government agency which ensures they are able to provide financially for kids before having kids? will you enforce abortions or just taking away children?

 

Goodness; is this sticker price or just cost allocation (doctor manhours, equipment usage, et al)?

 

She had IVF, so it doesn't apply at all.

This should be illegal. There needs to be some application to fill out to see if you qualify for IVF. If you have 6 children, no job, living with your parents, you are not eligible. Those kids should be put up for adoption. Their mother belongs in an insane asylum.

 

I don't know what the status of the current Medicaid law is regarding abortion but I would say if the government decides not to fund an abortion that they could legally do so without a violation of any right of privacy established under Roe V. Wade.

I'm not up on the specific abortion laws but I suspect that anyone asking for any elective treatment who obviously appears to have some sort of mental health issues would be a matter for a doctor to address. Further in terms of abortions doctors aren't required by law to provide abortions and many OB/GYN's have stopped doing abortions because of threats from radical anti-abortion groups.

Not quite.

She does have the right to have children but as a matter of relying upon the state or others pay for the procedure that isn't a right. If she on her own became pregnant with octuplets I doubt this would be much of an issue.

She can do whatever she wants with her body but it is a matter of whether as taxpayers we should be paying for it or whether it was ethical for the doctor to perform that procedure on someone with a questionable mental state, even if they wanted it, and someone who clearly wasn't prepared to deal with the rigors and costs of the results of that procedure.

 

Yes I agree that a lot of individuals are culpable but obviously not everyone which is why I said as a culture and society.

 

Blaming culture and society is so boring. Seems like lately it's en vogue to excuse anything with the proper implementation of those two words.

We're way off on a tangent here so I'll just let it die. Apologies for the bitter cynicism.

 

OK I will blame you then since you are an individual in this society. Is that better.

 

Maybe those kids will be ok or they end up being neglected by a mother who doesn't have enough time. Then, they end up in jail like many other neglected kids living off our tax dollars.

 

I've read a lot of rants by conservatives that this is a byproduct of liberal "it takes a village" policies.

Here there are rants against pro-life conservatives.

This goes beyond politics. Most sane people from both sides all agree this lady is crazy.

 

as a counter point
Shouldn't the Pro-Choice people be celebrating her making this choice?

Rocket River

 

I dunno what started you on this line of thinking but this bothers me all the time. Back to our gun discussion it is the reason we have gun control basically. "Oh dear this kid was shot with a GUN!" Forget that guns are not even in the top ten of cause for accidental death. But it is hard to regulate CLOROX or make it a felony if your baby drowns in your own bath tub. Both of which kill many times the kids guns do.



The BEST example is the kids on anti-depressants story though. The FDA heard a case for putting the "Black box warning" on anti depressants because kids on them were reportedly committing suicide. Parents came and told their stories and had huge poster sized pictures of their kids. The Dr.'s had stats showing correlation did not mean causation.

Black Box went on and the situation was followed. Presciptions went down, kids who probably needed the drugs didn't get them, and their suicide rate went UP!

Moral of the story for me is use your brain not your heart.

 

I'd rather be blamed than see those kids put in foster care out of anger at their mother.

 

Have heart, you now know the secret to how a politician can last so long.