the facts were never put up on this thread. I know you have personal issues with me, and I am asking that you do not take it further. You've hunted me down - why? Because you have some sort of problem with people and you feel compelled to harass them. I wouldn't be surprised if you have done this to women before. But you need to correct that and leave people be. I don't want to get into it...nor am I interested in your pyschological disorders that make you feel to have the need to put people down or defame them. That's your issue - so leave me out of it.
actually, they were. thats kind of the whole point. will you either admit or deny that he was tasered multiple times? i either want to hear you admit you were wrong or continue to live in your little fantasy world and say he wasnt - do it for your ol' buddy jo! yea or nay? every breath you take... every move you make... ill be watching you... actually, i do stalk women in message boards. i wait for them to make really outrages statements, i call them on it and BOOM - i cant keep 'em off me. pwning chicks on message boards works everytime. i read all about it in THE GAME, which is the playas bible. knuckle up foo!
I went to UCLA. It is common knowledge that you must have an ID card with you if you want to enter Powell Library (i think it was Powell) AFTER 11pm. Before 11 PM, anyone can use the library. There used to be problems with vagrants sleeping in the library and it is the school's right and responsibility to foster a safe, academic environment for its students. Some of you may disagree - but I think having drunk vagrants (who are obviously NOT there to study) in a library full of students (and hot co-eds!!!) AFTER 11PM is not a good policy. Volunteer students (i think they are called Community Service Officers) act as security at these libraries. It is STUDENTS that are required to ask for ID's from visiitors. There is a big sign at the entrance of the library that clearly states you must present an Student ID card if you are entering the library after 11 pm. Failure to produce a student ID would prohibit entrance to the library. In my 4 years there, I have never heard or seen of one incident where this fact was miscommunicated. There have been occasions where I had forgotten my ID. I did not start acting like a raving lunatic. Police did not swarm and taser me because I left the library grounds on my own volition in a compliant and peaceful manner. Am I sure that the scenario presented above occurs dozens of time each night. And thousands of time a year. In nearly 100 percent of those cases, the student complies with the CSO's request and leaves the library in a peaceful fashion. To feign indignance when asked for your student ID is plainly an act of an irrational person who is looking for trouble. I have no doubt of that in my mind. The VOLUNTEER STUDENTS asked for this guy's ID. This guy repeatedly refused and thus, the volunteer students made a request for help from the campus police department. The police asked this guy to stand up on 73 different occasions during the incident. He refused and started playing the "Patriot Act" card (a first in US history?). Police have a difficult job and I would rather give them the benefit of the doubt in cases like this. In hindsight - it is easy to say "well that jerk was obviously not a threat since.. blah, blah, blah", but this is not clearly evident at the time of of altercation. All the police know is that there's some jerk who is clearly behaving in an irrational manner. If my kid becomes a student at UCLA - i would much rather have the police kick some irrational jerk's ass than have said jerk roving around the library where my little girl could be. The jerk is suing the school for lots of $$ and had an attorney hours after the event.
I guess escorting someout out of an establishment it out of the question for cops now.. its either they kick their ass or taser them.. how hard was it to escort/carry/drag this kid out? how big was he? was he armed or violent?
he was asked 73 times to stand up or be tasered. he obviously refused to comply and was physically resisting all efforts made by the police to escort him out. what is amazing is how this story first played out in the press - that cops arbitrarily singled him out for an ID and tasered him when he failed to present it. don't worry - this jerk kid will probably get a cash settlement in the millions. the UCLA library will probably rescind their ID policy and vagrants will once again be milling the halls. when some drunk vagrants start harrassing female students again - maybe the University can be sued again.
so you're saying this kid was tasered because he was a drunk vagrant and was harrassing female students? bottomline this kid was disobedient but not at all violent or a physical threat and got tasered for it.. was he suing because they asked for his ID or because they tasered him instead of simply letting him out?
i cannot believe you pulled the little girl card. however if i got tasered this many times while having it filmed why wouldn't i hire an attorney and sue the hell out of em?
No I am saying the policy to prove student status was implemented because vagrants started milling around the library's halls during late hours. Some on this board seem to protest this policy - implying that it was police officers who arbitrarily singled out someone. As a former student there - I have no problem with that policy.
Well my feelings on this are what they are. If my kid went to that school - I would rather have policies which ensured their safety. I think allowing anyone into the library during late hours is a bad idea. The jerk can sue. That is his legal right. I just hope the settlement will not be measured in the millions of dollars. A case can be made that the police were overzealous in their duties. However, if I had to pick a culprit in this whole situation, I would pick the student. Having been to the same library on many occasions and faced with the same ID policy, I think the guy was obviously looking for trouble.
but who said that all this outrage and lawsuit was about policy? the school is being sued because the cops repeatedly tasered and unarmed non violent kid instead of just carrying him out..
It was hard to tell how many times he was tasered on the video. I think the 73 requests is a sign the cop was in brain lock. Here is what Fred Weary said about his recent experience being tasered once: Neither side acted properly, but only one side is being paid to act professionally.
If you're tasered in the legs or buttocks, or anywhere, you're going to have a hard time standing. The point of a taser is to temporarily stun a suspect so he can be restrained. Its counter productive to taser somebody if you're trying to get them to walk away. I haven't been tasered but I saw a demonstration. I saw some big strong cops get tasered in the buttocks and their legs kicked out and went spastic. during the tests there were two people ready to catch them or else they would've collapsed and possibly injured themselves.
That's a damn good point that totally evaded my noggin. Maybe Mostafa has 4 legs. Had u thought about that? Seriously - after some research I'm kind of seeing the other side of the argument. I still think taserboy is a jerk who was looking for trouble and the cops may have been just dumb enough to comply. I hope cops get investigated/reprimanded/etc. And Mostafar gets a free lunch at LuValle Dining Commons for his troubles.
