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Tari Eason should start at 3.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Dankstronaut, Dec 11, 2022.

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Start Eason now?

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  1. Hemingway

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    No, because Jabari is a better PF than Brooks is a SF. Amen, Jabari, Jalen, and Tari is the dream defensive team. Brooks is shooting 30% from 3 by the way and gets 4 rebounds a game (which is better than usual for him). Jabari is shooting 33% from 3 and getting 8.2 rebounds per game. Benching Jabari in favor of Brooks is a really dumb idea.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Brooks is a way better defender than Jabari.

    There is a reason Brooks gets put on Wemby, not Jabari.

    Also, lol at Jalen being part of a "dream defensive team".
     
  3. Dobbizzle

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    He's been a great defender so far this season. People can't attack him the way they can the Golden Boy, let's be honest.
     
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    Jalen has been a plus defender this year and as long as he keeps up the effort, he will be a part of an incredible perimeter defense. Unlike most guys, I think Alpi is actually a decent defender, not a bad one. I used to think you could be a reasonable poster, despite your only fan tendencies, but lately you have become unhinged and are attacking everybody on the team when Sengun is struggling. Be better my friend. Sengun will get his mojo back, maybe then you will calm down.
     
  5. Joe Joe

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    This is ridiculous. Brooks is anchoring the defense right now for the starters with some help from FVV. Brooks is taking the Wemby's and the Doncis's. Tari is a great off ball defender and an okay on ball defender. Tari would be best with someone else taking the hardest person to guard while Tari guards the other 4 guys and helps on the hardest to guard guy.

    Tari and Amen may be better than Brooks. Jabari is not currently. Jabari is the weakest of the top 7 players for the Rockets assuming FVV stops sucking. Amen's problem is that there are better players on the team than himself and those players need a better shooter on the court than himself.
     
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    Golden State killed us from the perimeter.

    These are the official nba.com stats for our starters when it comes to defensive rating:

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    DPBM from Stathead

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    Edit: Here are the On/Off stats from Cleaning the Glass:

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    Sorted by defense:

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  7. Believe It!

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    100%

    Whether the 3 or 4. He's got to be on the floor from the tip.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    Our best lineup this season so far (small sample size) according to Cleaning the Glass has been

    Amen - Jalen - Brooks - Tari - Sengun
     
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    Forget about any line-up changes happening. He's not doing it
     
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    Other than free throws, there is literally nothing Jabari is better at than Tari.

    That includes 3-point shooting. It's not just the tiny sample size this season. Tari is a better career 3-point shooter than Bari, in the NBA.
     
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    Doesn’t explain why he is part of our best performing unit all year. We are a much better team when Amen is on the floor just like last year. He will become better and better with the minutes and his shot is obviously improved. Wemby right now is intimidated by stocky guys like Brooks and he is easily knocked out of balance with stout guys with a low center of gravity. Amen absolutely shut down Doncic when he was guarding him. He is a much better defender than Brooks and actually rebounds. By the way, Brooks is shooting 30% from 3.
     
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    You are unfortunately correct about that. Hopefully, he will at least change the minute allotments.
     
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    Well, this is incorrect so far. The Rockets have been better with Brooks this year than Amen, but were better with Amen last year. Though, I expect Amen will pass Brooks later in the year as I expect Amen is going to tear up bench units and is likely a better player than Brooks.

    Though if this is your argument, your statement about Jabari being a better PF than Brooks a SF does not hold water as the Rockets have clearly been better with Brooks than Jabari this and last year. Lineups with Brooks with either Amen or Tari have done some serious damage this year. Smith not so much. 2 if not all three of Amen, Tari, and Brooks should be in the lineup for nearly every competitive minute.

    Maybe we could play Amen and Tari over Jabari and Brooks. I don't have much issue with Amen and Tari getting minutes. This issue you have with Brooks is ridiculous as he's easily been in the top 6-7 players in the Rockets rotation. Maybe he should go to the bench, but if anyone is going to the bench, it should be Jabari first.
     
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    Assuming this isn't just a jab at Jabari for no reason, for which I would hold great contempt, sure it's possible but imo a misread of the situation.

    Tari has outplayed Dillon but so has Jabari.
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    Particularly since Jabari has had some really good games this year, and **particularly** in light of how well Tari and Jabari fit together on the court, it really isn't much of a discussion that Tari and Jabari are solidifying their cases here. Again, this is stated without the reactionary hot take divisive bullshit we have entirely too much of already. The eye test says it and the numbers back it up, starting forwards should be Tari and Jabari. The discussion is now what needs to be done to make that happen.
     
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    When I look at the on/off numbers on Cleaning The Glass, they appear to be telling a different story.

    Dillon has by far the best rating there.

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    I'm fine with either. I just want to see Tari get as many minutes as possible.
     
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    Why are you trying to present team stats as individual ones?
    Alperen Sengun DFG% 53.3%
    Alperen Sengun DFGM 8.2
    Jalen Green DFG% 44.6%
    Jalen Green DFGM 5.5
    Those are the individual statistics. Jalen is a better defender.
     
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    You are comparing apples and oranges. Centers defend more in the paint, where the offensive player's FG% is higher on average. As to the number of defended field goals made, again, that has to do with the position and the way the entire team defends. If the guards allow everyone to leak through to the basket, the center is the one racking one up here in that stat category.

    Jokic, Poeltl, Zubac, Gobert, Brook Lopez, Anthony Davis all have even more DFGM than Alpi.

    I guess you wouldn't argue that all of them are worse defenders than Alpi.

    I understand that looking at isolated stats can lead to different conclusions. People use on/off stats when they support their bias, and they don't use/discredit them when they don't.

    Overall, the team defense has been pretty good this season. The offense is more problematic.

    Individually, I would argue Alpi's only problems so far this season have been him missing shots he normally makes (some problem with his touch around the basket, not sure why) and him not getting minutes (why, I don't know - I don't think it's because of his defense, because that hasn't gotten worse since last season, when Ime seemed to trust him more.)
     
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    Tari at 3 with his length sounds amazing. He's a capable catch and shoot threat and an agent of chaos. I like the idea of starting him. Amen and Dillon also being pretty good wings makes the decision harder though.
     
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    We are getting trounced on defensive rebounds. Benching one of the best PF rebounders in the league for a SF that is a terrible rebounder is not the right move. Brooks has played really good defense this year. Last year he fell off after the all-star break. He was a terrible rebounder and passer all year as he is now. Brooks was a good addition to this team, but his time with us will cut short. Some time this year. By the way he is shooting 30% from 3. Gotta keep that court spreader in the game, huh?
     
  20. SamFisher

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    Dillon & Tari have a +9.8 and +9.9 net rating - easily the highest on the team among the regulars.

    Jabari is +1, not far off FVV 0 and Amen -1.

    People need to bring stronger arguments against Brooks who's got a lot of "no stats all star" working for him.

    Based on this data it's absolutely Smith who should be sitting

    Edit: Also should note, the #1 2-man combination on the Rockets is Brooks- Eason, +30.4 in 48 minutes.- that is light years ahead of ay other pairing, (9 out the top 10 feature Brooks or Eason) .
     
    #80 SamFisher, Nov 4, 2024 at 12:18 PM
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