Heck yes, my friend. Success in the NBA is mostly about how much talent you have on your team, and that's the responsibility of the GM. It seems clear you think Morey is underperforming and if we'd had a good GM in charge these last few years, we'd be better off now. I'm curious, can you tell me a few candidates? Who could Houston hire that, with the same resources and knowledge available, would have done a better job? As mediocre as Morey is, I'm sure your list is long, but maybe just your top four or five names that you think would have done better than Dork Elvis?
Are you guys who gave me crap for giving the Pacers props going to eat crow if the Pacers beat the Heat?! :grin: I wasn't saying that I felt that the Pacers were definitely going to win the NBA championship this year. What I did say was that this team was a great collection of talent that was very much heading in the right direction and they didn't have to tank in order to get high lottery picks to get there. Some comments I got...
Should we link this thread with this one: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=213828 haha:grin:
So we're supposed to celebrate the Pacers victories? Is that what we're reduced to? WOW. Good luck with that.
They actually did go through rebuilding. Pacers play their young players and develop them. They only acquired their vets Hill and West to complement their young roster, not replace them. Rockets give most of their minutes to veterans, especially Martin, Scola, Dalembert and Camby. Morey trades their young players after 2 years for more picks and veterans. Rinse and repeat the next year. After 2 years, the players are no better than their rookie year.
Not unless you can count on your playoff opponent losing their best big man due to injuries. Since we can't count on that, it's best to not let one series conceal the cold hard reality that in the overwhelming majority of playoff games, having a superstar is a huge advantage.
In order for the pacers to win the championship anytime soon everything must be perfect and the moons must be aligned. I'm a big indy fan but lets not kid ourselves, they are no championship team. I honestly don't know which route the rockets should be taking but I guess that's why I'm not managing the team. I'll just cheer for them mediocre season after mediocre season until they actually become relevant, everyone in houston claims to have been lifelong rox fans, and true fans like us are deemed bandwagoners in the shuffle. Holla.
I'd still tank in the next 2 years. Shabazz Muhammed and Andrew Wiggins aren't eneryday talents and I'd rather have a chance to get them then have no chance. You need a superstar to win in this league and we simply don't have anything going for us.
Tanking is what you call it when you know your GM has no clue on how to rebuild this team. Therefore you have zero confidence in him rebuilding. I dont agree with tanking but with our horrible GM we may have no choice but to tank since we all agree he cant rebuild.
Obviously, there are many ways to approach this situation, but judging from recent history (last 3 years) we don't exactly have much to show for as a team that is supposedly overflowing with "assets". You would think that our accumulation of assets over the course of the last 3 years would have at least gotten us to the playoffs once. Either progress isn't being made or other teams are simply doing more than we are. Instead, the Rockets are looking at their third 14th pick in as many years. There is little to suggest that we are actually moving in the right direction, let alone any for that matter. It might be worth a shot tanking a season just to see how it goes right? The Rockets should consider it at the very least. Are the Rockets a playoff team? Possibly. But, the facts point to -- no. We have 0 playoff appearances in the last three years. Finishing last in the league and finishing where we finished is all the same, except the team that finishes last actually gets rewarded for doing so. It sounds unfair, but it's true. What do they call a guy that finishes last in his med school class? A Doctor. What do they call the guy that finished 1st in his med school class? A Doctor. Finishing last in the league and being "best of the worst" is all the same. Both of us are non-playoff teams. The Rockets don't necessarily need to part with all their pieces, but I'm sure if you sit some of your starters here and sit some of them there, you might just end up with a game changing piece through the draft to make your team more competitive the following year. Just a thought.
Seriously? Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward of all time, Tony Parker was an MVP candidate this year, and Manu could start on almost any team if he wanted to.
Tim duncan is greatest pf of all time... best player of this generation( yeah i said it, f#ck kobe, tims beyter)... jus sayin... Tanking would help but its not exactly the answer... indiana is doing it without tanking.... spurs havent tanked(after they got tim)... the pistons who won it all never tanked... hell the heat never tanked... they got really lucky and a savvy pat riley to set a new bar in sports.... the bulls never tanked... they got lucky and won #1 d.rose.... the only true contendr who has tanked is okc.. and props.to them because they avoided busts and got supreme talent(albeit suffering thru years of watchless basketball)....
The Pacers may not have tanked but they did build around young players that they drafted. Danny Granger, Paul George, Roy Hibbert (traded for on draft night). Maybe they have a smarter front office? Miami had a crappy record at the right time and lo and behold drafted Dwyane Wade. Same with Chicago, they had a crappy record and yes did get lucky with the number one pick to get Derrick Rose. You're right, tanking doesn't solve everything but it does lead to draft picks. Why don't they just call it developing the young talent instead? I'd rather watch what these young player can do instead of watching vets try, in futility, to bring the Rockets to the playoffs year in and year out. The Rockets don't have to have the worst record in the league to be able to draft a gem.
Bulls werent that bad... got real lucky to land #1... pacers(while building around draftpicks) never tanked to land better draft position... Heat landed dwade yes... but that is nowhere the same team... aswell as extreeemly lucky to sign bron bron and bosh to form the super team(losing to the pacers!!!)... Boston never tanked... again savvy trading by morey and ainge.... Nyk never tanked(theyve just always sucked with a bad front office) but they got talent from trades and signings... pistons never tanked when they won.... Lakers havent tanked in... oh.... ever??? Still dominant... spurs got lucky with tim... doing good ever since without tanking and would not have been winning without smart signings like parker and manu(who werent tank related pickups)... Teams who have tanked???? minnesota has good players after YEARS in the cellar and unwatchable basketball and lost fan support... yet they are still years from contending thus still being mediocre... Memphis...? See minnesota above... Portland? See minny above... Sacrwmento? Still.suckin after tankin... golden state? Still suckin after tankin... Toronto??? Been tankin since theyre inception and still nothing... Dont get me started on washington and charlotte who cant seem to not tank... theyre fans WISHthey could have a normal rockets season... Truth is okc is the only current succesful tankjob out there right now... but would you really want to suffer 5+ years of supersonic ball to hopefully(avoid busts) turn into okc... wizards, bobcats, raptors, etc.... have been bottom feeding the lottery and still cant succeed... okc escaped... the draft is one way to rebuild for sure... but its not exactly the answer... even teams who did a minor tank got really good because of either a trade or a FA signing as well... in order to succeed you have to be patient and do everything from drafting to signing FAs to trades in ordrr to contend... And yes i believe our future is.as bright.as memphis,minny,portland even without a socalled potwntial star... because we have the same oppurtunities as them... if they dont trade well or sign smart FAs then they wont get anywhere... we have smart trades and good FAs we just need a little star help... But if we could land grangers,hibberts,parsons,kawhi,faried,etc... type mid rd picks... its enough talent to either a)get over the hump or b)be valuable enough to Trade for a star...
yea but using teams like Boston, LA and Miami is not fair.. They drafted their superstars in Paul Pierce, Kobe and D-Wade and because they did that it made it a lot easier to get guys to wanna come and play for them.. Plus, Miami front office did a amazing job of clearing cap space to sign the big 3.. and Miami doesn't even have Bosh right now and when they did they beat the Pacers.. yes Indiana is up 2-1, but come on, if Houston was in the same position we would all be saying one of our best players is hurt.. this does show how much they need Bosh.. Miami's record without bosh this season is like 4-7.. there is NO perfect way to build a championship team, tankers have done it and as well as just drafting and signing FA.. But to me the biggest thing is Drafting well in both rounds, which as of now Morey does better in the second round than the first, and not giving out cap space killing contracts which he hasn't done yet.. honestly i think he has this summer to draft well and sign free agents or the natives will call for his head..
