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Taliban kill 69 to avenge OBL's death, Al Qaeda threatens Obama's grandmother

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, May 13, 2011.

  1. Mathloom

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    I agree with all of this, it's Pakistan's job to clean up its own mess, and protect its own people.

    But why are we acting like we can't do both: place responsibility on Pakistan, and keep a watchful eye on levels of violence?

    For me, there is no difference if an innocent American dies or an innocent Pakistani dies. Equal loss, and the circumstances will decide who's responsibility it was on a case-by-case basis.

    My main concern is that no one cares about innocent Pakistanis. The corrupt leaders in Pakistan care about money, the US cares about terrorism and protecting its own people, but who the hell cares for innocent Pakistanis who hate the government and hate terrorism? Is their additional loss of life going to be minimized by the media highlighting only the most favorable numbers?

    Let's say we have 3 scenarios for 2011:

    1) OBL lives: 100 troops die, 50 innocent Pakistanis die.
    2) OBL killed: 100 troops die, 50 innocent Pakistanis die.
    3) OBL killed: 100 troops die, 100 innocent Pakistanis die.

    We all want number two over number one. But we have to be careful that number 3 doesn't happen. I feel that people don't want to discuss this possibility. I personally feel that we should be prepared for that possibility, rather than taking it off the discussion table.

    That doesn't mean Taliban are justified. That doesnt mean they're not terrorists. That doesn't mean anything good for anyone. It's just discussing a way of dealing with irrational terrorists.
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    Why do you keep making the mistake of believing ATW is the only one that has these same exact interpretations of your posts?
     
  3. Dubious

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    Because it makes them look less impotent. When your last strikes across the sea at the the great satan have been a fizzled shoe and some smoking underwear, and your leader was just taken out inside his safe sanctuary, you might claim any act of savagery to appear more threatening if you want people to think of you as a terrorist.


    And you do post from a Muslim bias. Not that there is anything wrong with that; anymore than the free-marketers, birthers, libertarians, Christians, chicken hawk torturers, gun freaks, anarchists, or the atheistic agnostic progressive democratic socialist (even though they are right). There is always a grain of validity to any opinion truthfully stated in that, at least the speaker has a reason to think that way, be it Euro-nazi or Islamist or American jingoist.
     
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  4. AroundTheWorld

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    Because your subsequent posts on other instances of similar issues reveal exactly the same mindset. That shows that either you were insincere about taking it back or that you realized the error of your ways once, but still keep following the same or a very similar line of thinking anyway.

    I didn't say any of the above (except the cartoonist part now), but the fact that you are saying it yourself about yourself speaks volumes.

    This is laughable and funny at the same time. Once again, I am not profiling, I am judging people solely based on what they post here. There is no pattern of race/religion, I just recognize a pattern in what people post, and specifically in what you have been posting. You are trying to hide behind others here, which is pitiful.

    "You criticize me? You must be profiling, and a racist bigot."

    Get this into your head: I am criticizing you, specifically, for what you post.
     
  5. showtang043

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    no they are not, these attacks, there were no christian targets..itsj ust to create mayhem, kill, and scream loud. Sorry, but if you believe that these are religious based, all you are doing is feeding and dignifying the terrorist into believing their disullusionment. They just are cold blooded killers with social ad political agendas, none of the people who are attacked or their families consider this some sort of martyrdorm, everyone in pakistan afghanistan has equal fear for the taliban when htey are around and for the most part would like to see them go.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    It would be nice if that were true, but they must have popular support or they could not keep that kind of power for such a long time.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    Why do you leave out scenario 4:

    OBL lives, 100 troops die, 100 innocent Pakistanis die.

    Your whole post is completely pointless, because you cannot show any correlation between Osama being killed and how many innocent Pakistanis die. As has been pointed out to you before, the Taliban have been killing and would have killed innocent Pakistanis regardless of whether Osama is killed or not.
     
  8. RedRedemption

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    Yeah, does anybody really care? You're not exactly sending a message by killing your own kind.
     
  9. RedRedemption

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    Innocent Pakistanis dying shouldn't factor into "success" or "fail". We're not going to stop them from killing them; ever. We're going to have to abandon that country, period. We are making almost no improvement, the people don't even want us there, gas prices are sporadic...

    We only look like greedy, evil imperialists BECAUSE WE ARE. The West needs to stop with all this bull**** and let the Middle East fend for themselves. The more we intervene the more they will hate us, this whole terrorist ordeal was the product of that very same Imperialism that I was talking about.

    Nothing in life is free Bush/Obama and co.
    I hope they understand that.
     
  10. showtang043

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    that is not true, its just not unified to the point where they could do it. The elections are corrupt and manipulated, you will find support and its often them picking up idiots who don't have anything or now whats going on and give them food and shelter and say go hoot and holler for me. So its not even a proper democracy at that.

    there are protest all around pakistan often and other places there jsut aren't the avenue for it, what we saw in egypt after a rule for how long? Pakistan is a 50 year old country and you are simplifying saying these people who are in power(less than decades) while in egypt it took how long to throw over this regime and they have more access to technology, etc as well....so that is just flawed logic to say people support the regime
     
  11. AroundTheWorld

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    It was difficult to understand what you were trying to say.
     
  12. giddyup

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    Here is what you said, "but look at the people they kill majority are muslims, pakistanis, or whatever."

    I'm not just referring to this one particular event. We have been witness to dozens or hundreds of such attacks over the past ten years. To the terrorists, it doesn't matter who they kill: they are martyring Muslims or killing Infidels. Either way it's a win-win from their viewpoint. It doesn't matter what the victims think. Their thinking is being done for them.

    What I think as I sit her in my chair has no effect whatsoever on those terrorists. In fact, the acts of murder have been perpetrated by the time I think about them!
     
  13. Honey Bear

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    Mathloom is a muslim. There is no way he would be considered for a UAE diplomatic post if he wasn't.

    I don't understand the point of discussing, discussing and discussing some more whether irrational terrorists will kill 50 muslims or 100 muslims. You can't negotiate with them and it's not like the educated, who live comfortably in Pakistan, will start disliking the West and capitalism because corrupted Muslims are killing innocent Muslims. There is no rhyme or reason to any of this, discussing it means you are looking for ways to bend over backwards to the demands and instigation's of terrorists.

    I think it's best to collect all these stories, push them into a dark corner, and let them rot in their own misery.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    You wouldn't be as bewildered if you had bothered doing any reading about the incident or its background...were you too busy posting to have done so?
     
  15. KingCheetah

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    Mathloom is the muslim giddyup.
     
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  16. DonnyMost

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    Repped so damn hard.
     
  17. giddyup

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    Hey mathloom! Good for you/us...

    1. Pro-Life
    2. Pro-Civil Rights
    3. Pro-Gay Marriage
    4. Pro-Gun Control
    5. Pro-Term Limits
    5. Pro-Balanced Budget
    7. Pro-Border Enforcement

    Let's see, what else is hardcore "giddyup?" Suggestions?

    :grin:
     
  18. Honey Bear

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    I think it's quite fashionable for Muslims who drink, have sex with various orifices and have fun in general to tell others they're non-Muslims. But when it's 3 am and they're woken up by a sudden noise, what do they scream? Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, there is only one God, his name is Allah, and Mohammed is his messenger and I've been a bad, bad boy.

    So quit the charade.
     
  19. showtang043

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    That is really dignifying their beliefs and causes. Do you really think they are ultra religious and that is the basis for all of this, or that is what they like to say? Remember bin laden here, he is supposed to be some ultra religious by the book guy? He had weed, p*rn, i mean by the book these guys go against the religion, including anytime you kill anyone that is not an agressor(so that matrydom idea just doesn't apply in the religion, its right in the book). Thats why when some people here and in the news say it really is a religion thing, it just dignifies there cause, it tells em yea we are 'islamists' or whatever name you want to come up for them. Rather than calling there bs and say look this is what he religion says, these are quotes sying you are wrong, if this is religious in base, how are you overlooking it. Its hard to see them finding an answer and not admitting it is more political, social in based
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    I must have missed the weed part... :confused:
     

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