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Talent - no more excuses, the Rockets have enough.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Dec 29, 2007.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Let's take a look at the guys you metioned.....for a minute before the championship season this is what they were.

    1. Horry - Strengths: Great leaper: Nice defender
    Weanesses : Bad dribbler, reluctant shooter had to be traded to make him shoot.

    2. Cassell: Strengths: Good midrange shooter, nice passer
    Weaknesses: Slow, not great defender, average 3pt shooter.

    3. Mario: Strengths: Hustle & Heart
    Weaknesses: Small size, not great shooter, push shot requires lots of space.

    4. Mad Max: Strengths: Fire and quickness -good defender
    Weaknesses: Not a great percentage shooter, prone to losing temper and focus

    5. Kenny Smith: Strengths - good dribbler, good shooter.
    Weaknesses: Poor lateral quickness, a weak willed player.

    Yet, the team won by covering up all their weaknesses....it is not about individuals but rather what they are as a team.

    This team has enough.

    DD
     
  2. Astockmarketgod

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    pleease when these guys are hitting there shots we can play with the best... problem is when these guys are hitting thier shots they are few and far between...

    whats with RA having Yao hold the ball waiting for the double... with Tmac out Yao should be taking 25 shots a game...

    we will lose to TO today because our role players are missing thier shots already...
     
  3. MR. MEOWGI

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    If you are talking about Max then you have to bring in OT.

    Otis Thorpe - 1992 All-Star, averaged over 17ppg for many years

    Horry - knew how to get open, slash to the basket. Could jump like and dunk like a mad man (shane can maybe shoot 3s and play good defense)

    Mario had nights where he could put up points, junk yard dog

    Max was a tenacious defender and a streaky shooter, but man when he was on he was unstoppable

    Cassell was a spark, could hit big shots, could handle the ball
    Smith - knocked down the open 3. You didn't hold your breath like Rafer.

    Hakeem Olajuwon - One of the best ever, MVP in 1994.

    A shooter like Bull off the bench also.

    6 players averaging 9-15 ppg AND Mighty Hakeem with 27 plus his defense. And they kind of rode Hakeem to the Championship.

    This team doesn't have that. Good yes, but it still needs another offensive piece to run a great a motion offense. We are trying for something more now than completely relying on Yao and Tracy. Maybe Scola could be it, but he has got a while to go. We are shooting the ball well the last two games. We also played a .500 team at home and the worst team in the NBA on the road.
     
  4. oneonepyopyo

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    I am all in favor of this statement!
     
  5. Spacemoth

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    Damn those are some convincing metrics. Looks like the Spurs have us beat 10952 milliwills to 15 on the Will-o-meter. Maybe the Spurs should take their game to the UFC they're so feisty.

    And the fact that Battier has no will makes that Duke Championship team even more formidable. How good must the rest of those guys have been to make up for his negative will-output???
     
  6. rhester

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    Fixed it. :D
     
  7. apocclass

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    if you dont see that we dont have as much talent as the top teams in the west, i just dont know what to tell you man...... i mean, how much more obvious can it be ?
     
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    talents can make a team much terrific, but we can still survive it without talents, all we need is guys who understand game truely, and got fundermentals, remember how Greek won the Tournament champion?
     
  9. BrooksBall

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    Turnovers are not a problem with T-Mac given how much he touches the ball. I don't know where you got that idea.

    You can make a much stronger argument that Nash and Wade have turnover problems.

    If you want to look at our team, start with Yao.
     
  10. hatemavs4life

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    Classic case of dramatic irony. We beat Torontusholus Rex Craptors after the night before they popped the Spurs in the mouth @ SA.

    I guess Rick has suddenly become a genius, huh? :rolleyes:

    Amazing what a little effort and accidental execution can create :rolleyes:

    It's not his coaching, genius that's the problem. Players have to make plays. Put the biscuit in the basket. Play like they give a DAMN! Etc.

    There's a reason you're a rookie because you're not ready for prime time! Now go read your play book some more you need to study :D
     
  11. BrooksBall

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    Can I have some of whatever you are smoking?

    I would love to hallucinate and see things that aren't really there, too!
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I don't know if we have enough talent or not.

    What I do know is that thus far we haven't played to the potential of the talent obviously, so we have to see that.

    Really, that's RA's job, so all we can do is watch for now and observe. But the trend is positive now and there are reasons for optimism.

    I seriously doubt anything will done when the situation is improving steadily.
     
  13. kokopuffs

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    What? If by "terrible on the ball defender" you mean "can't hold Tony Parker to single digit scoring" then maybe. He's average/below average in that aspect. Poor decision maker in transition? No, Luther head is a poor decision maker in transition. Rafer's pretty good running the break and setting up the offense before the defense gets set.
    You expect Hayes to get double digit rebounds in 20 minutes a game? He'd be better than Dwight howard if he did that! Jeeze, check your facts.
    That's not true at all. I've seen him break down his defender before, dribble drive, post up smaller players. He can definitely get his own shot, he just passes good shots up for some reason.
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  14. deekay209

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    I don't think they have enough yet. They have enough talent to be a good team, not a great team. I believe there are still trades to be made before they can contend for the ring (i.e. a legitimate STARTING point guard).




    Things are starting to click. All they needed was time.
     
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    Chuck plays over 20 mins. Hayes rebounding rate has fallen off since his rookie year. He needs to step it up.
     
  16. WarioMillie

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    I disagree with the weaknesses for batman.
    he has shown he is capable of both dribbling and creating when he needs to.
    yesterday, with TMac out, he did both. scored first 7 out of houston's 10.
    on some plays, he played point in bringing ball up


    YEah sometimes you are like why doesn't he at least TRY this more often? As you mentioned his flurry to start the game yesterday, then tonight things like that insane acrobatic finish at the rim off the steal before halftime, juking defenders out of their shoes in the low post- seems like he is capable of creating his own shot in (granted methodical) effective ways when he decides too. I don't see him failing alot wjhen he tries, just not trying them very often. But when he tries it looks good. Is it just luck, or really good at pickinig his spots against weaknesses, and those spots are jsut mroe rare than we think they are?

    I'd like to see his nubmer called mre often, because alot of his opportunities seem to come off junk (steals, hustling loose balls, broken plays).
     
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    if (and it's a big if) some of the other players on the team are on their games, it's easy to see the rockets have lots of talent... though maybe not tops overall...

    sf has takeover ability in game and plays with a alot of heart. (see phoenix game earlier this year)

    mike james can pour it in too. we've seen it before.

    we've only begun to see what scola has.

    AB looks nice. he makes things happen and can get to rim fast.

    bonzi is a hustle scorer and he's pretty good at swiping the ball on defense. the more i watch him the more pissed i am that we didn't play him last year.

    kirk snyder may not play much, but if you think back to when he last got significant playing time for NO he was scoring 20 ppg during that stretch. my point is he is capable with PT.

    chuck hayes plays very smart (other than his left handed hook last night) and is a good rebounder. good on the ball defense too.

    shane battier can do more offensively, but doesn't because his number isn't called very often. that's an RA issue.

    luther is a great shooter. no doubt.

    novak, deke, alston, and landry are the players who in my mind still haven't proven their worth.

    and alston brings ballhandling to the table as mutombo proved last year he can still play (but not so far this year).

    dd is right, this team just needs some chemistry. this may be off topic, but it almost looked like everyone else played better with tmac out...
     
  18. doublebogey

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    You dont need the best talents to win. The Rockets dont have the best talents when compare to some other top teams. But the Rockets have enough talents to win. Winnings are not about having the best talents. Winnings are about game plan, team work, and execution down the stretch.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    If it's not the talent, it must be the coaching. Way to sink your own boat.
     
  20. doublebogey

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    You're right! JVG's boat is buried in deep ocean.
     

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