Taking Yao out for defensive purpose at the end of the games

As most people are saying, Only take him out if they need a 3 to tie. Leave Yao in there because of his ability to alter shots and block them.

Rick Adelman needs to get a clue, I'm sick of his lack of ability to manage games in the end of the 4th quarter.

 

If you think about it...it is OKAY to take Yao out if say the other team need a 3 to tie with 5 second left in the 4th or something. So it's obvious to take Yao at this time because he's probably not quick enough to guard 3.

But if you're up by 4pts and with 30secs left and you started to take Yao out...you're just a stupid coach because other teams now can just do a couple easy layups and the next things you know it's a tied game or possibly win for the other team. I have seen Rick Adelman done this a lot and i am just sick of it. So it depends on the game situation and how much pts you're ahead and how much time left. If you're up by 4pts with 30secs, the other team IS NOT going to be looking to shoot 3 dumb azz, they're looking to try to score easy layup with little time off. The last thing you want is take Yao out and let them score easy layup...this is the dumbest thing i ever seen out of Rick Adelman. If you have Yao in the lineup, you're forcing them to shoot jumpshot and if they missed? Game over! You want them to shoot jump shot.

There are games where Rick Adelman took Yao out and realize the opponents attacking and scoring way too easy without Yao's presence and then he realized what a dumb move he did by taking Yao out and start putting him back in again. But it was too late, the damage has been done. When it comes to strategy, Rick Adelman suck ball!! He failed to see how important Yao is inside the paint and under what situation. When you're up by a few pts and with little time left, the last thing you want is to let your opponents drive and score easily with very little time off the clock.

Also Rick Adelman suck when it comes to put in the best free throw shooters on the floor. When Brent and Yao are some of your best shooters and you don't know how to take advantage of them, you suck!! So opponents were able to dictate who they want to be at line....a sign of weakness for this team. Why would you want Artest or Battier shooting free throw when you're up by 1pt when you have Yao and Brent sitting on the bench??

 

Chicago scored every single time down the floor when Yao returned to the floor in the middle of the quarter (6 straight times), and you're acting like if Yao was in the game its a guaranteed stop ... "so what" you say ...

And Chuck was not in the game. Adelman went with Scola on that defensive possession.

 

Thanks for the quotes durvasa. Interesting that Adelman says he made a mistake. Sounds like if Shaq was missing his free throws, Adelman wouldn't have even considered putting Yao in.

Now I'm wondering is if there are late-game PnR situations where Yao is the better option. For example, didn't Adelman opt to go with Yao in the Spurs game, despite Parker and Duncan? Is it because unlike Nash, you'd rather have Parker shooting from the outside?

 

You need to tone down your comments. I for one don't appreciate u calling our coach names. If u want to discuss strategy and other stuffs, fine but don't insult people like that, especially a professional like Adelman.

You have your opinion but they are not the absolute truth.
When u r up by 4 with 30 secs left, taking Yao out is 50-50. If u take him out, the opponent will attack the basket and they might score, but it's not 100% sure. How many games have u seen? Yao came out for his normal break from time to time, did the opponents score every possesion?

If u don't take him out, the opponents are not going for a 2. Why would they? Yao is pretty good as guarding the lane. They'll probably go for a 3 and get an open look because Yao can not come out. They may or may not make it. If they don't, game over. Chance is good that they make it, we r up by 1 with 20+ secs to play, pretty dicey. When they foul us, the pressure on making both FTs are tremendous. Even if we make both, we r up only 3. What do u do then?

This is also wrong. When we need to inbound the ball, we need ball handlers and quick players to get open for the inbound pass. We normally have both PG and 3 of quick players and good FT shooters in there.

While Yao and Barry are better Ft shooters, if we can not inbound the ball, it's a moot point. U might argue u can have Yao in and throw the ball high for him. It's a decent play until recently, Yao has gotten worse about getting in position to get inbound pass and then hold on to the ball when it is thrown to him.

In any case, as a coach, u go with the percentage play, u can never be 100% correct. There are too many variables. Adelman has made some mistakes but he has also made a lot of good decisions too. He does not deserve to be bashed like this.

 

No you need to tone down based your screen name "rage." When Yao is out for his normal break...understand that ...that is a different game situation...it wasn't the same as your time-running-out pressure type of situation where opponent have to score quick with little time off. If you don't take Yao out under pressure situation, opponents will still try to score because they KNOW they want the absolute-sure 2 pts by attacking because shooting will not guaranteed that you're going to make it. So the probability of getting a 2pts by shooting is less than attacking the rim and trying that easy layup. So it's bogus when you say it's likely they will make the shot..no, not really!! It's less than 50%...where as attacking and trying to do a layup is greater than 50%....that is why superstars like Kobe choose to attack when he knows his team need to score...they don't settle for shots...if you're a smart coach...you should analyze this situation and never take Yao out.

 

Well, this only tells me they don't practice enough about inbounding the ball and not utilize Yao correctly. Yao, being tall should command double team when it comes to inbounding. And the lack of inbound practice is sometimes obvious because this team sometimes CAN'T EVEN inbound or take a long time to inbound and turn it over. And they look pretty risky doing it.

 

You are incoherent at times.
When u make comment like I need to tone down based on my screen name then I know u r at your wit end. Should not have wasted my breath on you.

Just know this, you are wrong on your analysis. Period.
If u insist on calling Adelman names, I'll report u.

 

So what do you do when Yao is in and they run the PNR only to have the ball handler(maybe a Chris Paul or a Brandon Roy) drive right by Yao and either get a layup, dish to the screener who now has Aaron Brooks/Kyle Lowry on him, or kick to the spot up corner shooter for a wide open 3 because his man had to rotate to keep up with Yao. Yao is not that great on PNR defense even when the man penetrates especially when he is backpedaling.

He is great when they are using the 4 to set the pick because he is back there keeping a presence at least near the basket.

 

Might as well track it in this thread.

Against the Spurs, Adelman kept Yao down the stretch on defense and the Spurs burned us on a pick and roll. He wasn't quite quick enough to stay with Parker and contest that layup.

Next defensive possession, Adelman subs Chuck in for Yao. This time, the Spurs do not run the pick and roll against Chuck and fortunately Parker misses his hook shot over Lowry in the lane.

 

Hook shot > Layup at least for defensive purposes. It was also further out than most hooks.

 

i've said it before and it's worth quoting after todays game since the discussion has come back.

look at the spurs last full possession (not counting the 0.3 shot). the spurs go RIGHT at yao in a PnR, parker blows right past him. spurs up 1. if yao was out of the game this doesn't happen. the spurs dont get an open layup.

i would take my chances of hayes guarding duncan in the post 100/100 times before letting yao guard parker on a PnR. if people in this thread want to complain about coaching, you can ask why did adelman for ths first time this season NOT sub yao in this situation?

it nearly cost us the game.

 

Taking Yao out for defensive purposes is a great idea. He is one hell of a player but he doesn't move his feet well. If you have guys like Chuck Hayes and Carl Landry ( GET WELL SOON!!!!!! ) who are capable of moving their feet why not. Its better to have that then have the team abuse Yao in PnR situations and score every time.

 

Chuck can guard Duncan in the post pretty well. He's shown that in the past. But Yao is also pretty good at defending Duncan down there. The benefit with Chuck guarding that pick and roll is he can show and move his feet much better. Also, if Duncan gets the return pass, Chuck doesn't have to play off him like Yao does.

I'm not sure why the Spurs chose not to run a pick and roll there, and if it had anything to do with Yao not being in the game.

 

In your dream! Yao is great at guarding Duncan. Chuck can get by for a few plays by pushing and slapping at the ball, he can't do it all game long.

Yao having to guard a PnR = very bad for us.
Chuck having to guard Duncan = pretty bad for us.
Using Chuck in the last play was a good percentage play. Using Chuck long term against Duncan is not good.

 

I'm not going to speculate on what Chuck can or can't do defensively for a whole game. He's only relied on to play about 15 minutes or so of tough defense. I think we can rely on him to do an adequte job on Duncan in those minutes. When Chuck is guarding Duncan one on one in the post, he's done fairly well the last couple years. So in a single possession situation, that doesn't worry me. Yao guarding the pick and roll is a different story.

 

You must not have watched enough games. It's no speculation.

 

He's watched plenty of games, and so have I....hundreds of hours of film. Hayes is foul prone and short, but plays great position defense and has quick hands. Having Hayes in for the majority of the game is a mute point because his lack of offense prevents such a thing.

However, in isolated 1 on 1 situations, Hayes has not done terribly against Duncan. Of course he has been beat, but it's not a terrible match up and Hayes has forced plenty of difficult shots by Duncan over the years.

I'll say this. There are other PF's out there who Hayes has much more trouble with than Duncan.