Of course it is a waste of time. What is even more of a waste of time is trying to rationalize how a team starting Rafer Alston and Chuck Hayes, along with zero bench, could possible win more than 55 games. Sure there is no way of knowing for sure, but you can provide an opinion, you are full of them. But you refuse to because after I posed the question, you now see how ridiculous it is to expect that team to win any more games than they did. If you truly believe the team would have been better had Mcgrady "shared the responsibility", then you should expect them to win more. Yet you refuse to take this position because... well, that would be ludicrous.
Regardless of what I think there is no arguing with you, say I said 60 games and a first round advancement. How would I justify it? You would just say, prove it, and there is no way to do that, because no one can go back in time and try it the way I am suggesting. Look, I get that you blame his teamates, and I think there is a reasonable argument to be made there, but I also believe that a little more trust in his teamates and he would have led a team to the 2nd round. Is it provable.....no.....of course not...the facts are the facts. 1. Tmac led teams have never advanced even blowing 4 home court advantages. 2. No way to prove that if he had trusted his teamates he would have advanced - like the Rockets did this year without him with a weaker team...as Artest is not as good as he is... Whatever....it is a waste of time and you are just simply going to use it to hammer more arguments ...and you won't change my mind and I won't change yours. So, as I said....let's just agree to disagree and root for the Rockets. I respect your viewpoints, I just think you are wrong......and I am sure you feel the same. Ok, so....why continue to argue it? GO ROCKETS !! DD
Thank you. Finally. Well, thanks for putting words in my mouth. That would not be my argument at all. I would never ask you to "prove it". As I have state numerous times, I was asking for your OPINION. Now if you would let ME make my argument. So in the end, you think we would be able to win ONE more game in the playoffs, if Mcgrady shared the responsibility more. And 5 more games in the regular season. Is that really that big of a difference? Especially to somehow conclude his style is "not conducive to winning"? Do you think adding an Aaron Brooks, Luis Scola, Trevor Ariza or heck, Kyle Lowry would make more of a difference than 5 games in the regular season, and ONE game in the playoffs? What about adding all of them? Doesn't that mean this would be much more "conducive to winning" than Mcgrady changing his "style"? If yes, then don't you agree it is more about improving the players around him, than Mcgrady himself? EDIT: BTW, I do not even agree that those teams would have won 60 games, no matter how Mcgrady played, but that is beside the point of this post.
CX and Dada just agree to disagree and move on. Collectively, you are wasting a boatload of bandwidth and life span.
Absolutely. Internet forums are no place for discussion and debate. It would be much more constructive perpetuating the Mcgrady-hate circle jerk. Not to mention bandwidth/life-saving.
You have taken it so personally dude. Credit to Dada for taking my comment in the spirit (light hearted) it was intended. And are you suggesting I participate in any kind of McGrady hate? I stay away from all that crap. I like to talk about the now, and if Mac comes back and helps us, he will receive my fanfare. He is still on our team...Rafer is gawn.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the triangle as well as the princeton are pretty much the same offense. The object is to create triangles all over the court. Its a read and react offense that has very few sets that has answers for every defense. Its not for just low post play. Now shaq was so dominant that you want him with the ball, but the backside angles and cuts are what make the offense work. Go look at how it starts.
This is the main part that I disagree with. T-MAc has always been with inferior talent and yet he has managed to take these inferior players to the playoffs and win 50+ games with Yao. I mean, apart from Yao none of those players are starters on a championship team. Some of them like Hayes would probably never play and yet T-Mac has carried them. 2 years ago we got Battier to fill that hole and get another starter but Yao went down. This year we got Artest and between everyone we finally had the talent to go deep into the playoffs but T-Mac got injured. You could see it in every game in LA how the Rockets needed someone who could take the ball and create offense. So the one year he has a championship level cast around him, he doesn't play in the playoffs. Otherwise every year he carries limping teams to the playoffs. Life's weird isn't it?
No, I am saying maybe I should participate in that, as oppose to the reasonable discussion that I was partaking in. I like to talk about the now too. Mcgrady is on our team, now. He is not dead or traded. In any case, my comment was in jest, sorry if it seemed like I took it personally.
I'm feeling some McGrady BBS stress. Let's all just hope McGrady comes back 1) Healthy (fully), 2) Early (I'm not saying early and not fully healed, I just mean as early as possible at full power). This would be the best scenario for us whether it involves keeping him or trading him by the deadline, we need Tracy to play his best.
Hey, hey, hey, HEY, HEYYYYY guys..... chill! I think we're all missing the real excitement of the year: Spoiler NO MOAR RAFER, EVAR!!1!one!
Well, now...why would any of us want to do something as silly as that? Crucifying people in e-effigy is lots more fun...!
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