RileyDog can you just eat crow for what you said? Its not that hard, but you're pushing it. You're the first to actually create a post thread to a completely atrocious thread. Even Brooksball didn't make a thread called Post Playoffs?No way. And his reasons were more liable than yours. You're just blaming Mcgrady for everything, and can't believe you said he quit with the numbers he put up. Now you're pushing it by making a followup thread. Just eat crow and make an apology thread. If you're lucky, we'll let you back in the true fan wagon. But until now, stay in the three wheel wagon. You never know when you might hit a rock (fair weathered fans).
mac came straight out of high school and never learned how to win. period. winning, closing out games is a skill you learn. winning is a habit that you learn through observation and positive reinforcement. a guy like kobe was lucky to be with shaq and jackson. jordan was regularly schooled by detroit and boston for half a decade and learned what it took first hand. duncan was fortunate enough to have david robinson who was the best player in the nba (mvp & DPOY) to break him in. other guys go to duke or UNC and learn in college how to win tmac spent years with vince and years in orlando and simply never learned how to close out games. to him it's perfectly acceptable to put up his normal shot at crunch time and hope for the best rather than go for the kill. watching mac put up that ill-advised shot and then get whistled for the offensive foul THEN put up another ill advised shot illustrates right there that he does not have the mentality to "impose his will." basically he's willing to put it in God's hands or the refs to grant him the basket or the foul instead of doing EVERYTHING to put the dagger in. basically tmac is really really good. in 95% of situations he's so good he'll put you in a position to win... even in games where you're missing your starting center and starting PG versus a top 3 team in the West. which is amazing if you think about it. but he's also the guy who's going to be willing to flip a coin at the end for your season. really game 2 could have gone houston's way if tmac had hit a flurry of shots like he did in game 3 to put houston up by 7. on the other hand game 3 could easily have been lost by that same mentality. it truly is a case of a coin toss. we were unlucky in one game, lucky in another. the sad part is a slight adjustment to mac's mentality both those games are Ws. IS THAT TMAC'S "FAULT"??? no it's just the way he is
Did anyone listen to T-macs interview right after the game? How he just made himself more assertive? He needs to really just STFU and just play the game.
yep, just what i expected. it's T-mac's fault when the Rockets lose, but it's not his fault win they win.
wait, what was wrong with what he said? People asked him to be more assertive in the 4th...assertive, in the sense, just try to make things happen. Didn't say he was tired. Didn't blame or over congratulate himself. And he is playing the games. Do yourself and rest of us a favor and just stop watching if all you guys just complain win or lose.
Gee, with that insightful analysis, I guess I better. Wait, no, that's just an emotional rant based on apparent inability to tolerate any criticism of Tmac. Some of you guys are so binary/black and white in your thinking. Are you not capable of dissecting issues?
hmm fair point, is Yao considered a Superstar? Did Kobe "will" his team to victories without Shaq. Wait and here I thought Kobe is THE superstar? Not all "Superstars" = Michael Jordan. Even Jordan had Pippen.
I'll say it again. During the last three minutes He did some good to great things but He also did some CHOKE-ish type things 1. The missed Free Throw 2. The bull***** Offensive call charge [not his fault IMO . .just BS] - I really should not list this one 3. The ridiculous shot on the break where he got too far under the basket and missed in a crowd 4. THE BIGGIE!!! - No rotating on Okur!!!! That almost killed us. It reminded me of BARKLEY not rotating on John Stockton Overall . . . I am happy with his play but I think he needs work I realize .. . T-mac is the Doug Collins of players He can get you to the Edge. . but you need someone else to get you over the hump Rocket River
How ironic that you're calling this guy out for going on an emo rant when that's all your first "can of quit," thread was. You made some interesting points in this thread, but with all due respect the other thread you started was only good for hitting "print screen," and using the paper to wipe my @$$.
I posted this in another thread but it really fits with this discussion: That fourth quarter showed our potential and our weaknesses. Some +'s and -'s for TMac: Pluses: - Although a bit late to read the defense, TMac passed up a shot and drove the baseline to get fouled. This was a bit of a mental letdown to not read the defense and realize they're in the penalty, but he recovered well to get to the line - Made an open jumper and a tough jumper on AK - Took a jumper off a set play towards the end of the game; it was a miss but a clean look and a decent possession - Made all 4th Q FTs after badly missing his first - Big block in the paint - Big-time rebounds during a 2 minute span - Sustained his energy for a strong 3 minute spurt to finish the game - Overcame his obvious mental fragility to finish with a win Weaknesses: - TMac really bricked one free throw; I mean, you can miss a FT, but he shot that like he was real tense. - He also had an offensive foul at a really bad time, and yes if you are smart you can avoid stuff like that ... - TMac also mishandled a pass but thankfully recovered on the left wing towards the end of the game ... another mental lapse - He had that one layup that he missed and with his gifted athleticism you can attribute that to being tight as well ... - He was lost on defense when Okur made that three pointer. I don't think he properly positioned himself and seemed a bit lost. - The last shot, although a set play, was not a pretty shot. Recurring theme of just playing a bit tight or uncomfortably. We can make a list for a couple of other players too ... point being this is a huge load off the Rocket's chest to win this game. I can see McGrady playing better as the game comes to a close tomorrow whereas overall I think he just played OK yesterday. He made some shots, he made some mistakes.
Tmac is the only player on this team worth anything, he is hacked, doubled, tripled and still delivered us a victory, all while playing hurt. I cant believe some of you call yourselves Rockets fans.
Man how are you a rook??? Amazing post right here What's amazing is how quickly Lebron learned how to play to win. It's because he feels he was born to be great ... he sort of has that Kobe mentality, whereas TMac has more of Vince's mentality, and that's just the way it is. I hope a trip to the second round will change things.
Thanks -- I think. If you actually read my posts in the "can of quit" thread, they're actually no different from what's posted here. In fact, that's the premise and point of this thread -- that we had 2 different results in Games 2 and 3, and my final analysis of Tmac is unchanged from my prior post following game 2 . . . that Tmac isn't the clutch, cold blooded finisher in the 4th quarter, that he shies away from that responsibility, that he's not the guy to demand the ball, that he's not the guy to want to dictate the outcome win or lose, that he didn't bring it when it was winning time in Game 2. But that tmac is a very good all around player and is an excellent No 2 player. And that we should adjust our expectations based on that reality and our offseason moves should be made based on this understanding. So many people here think that . . . . by engaging in some honest, intellectual analysis of a very good player and identifying his weaknesses and limitations . . . we're calling him worthless, the root cause of all Rocket failures, etc. People just need to read and think.
he made 3/4 fts. that's not choking. the last shot was awful so can't defend that. the defensive play on okur was scola's fault. that offensive foul was a flop.
Really? Why did you make a Post thread to your horrible thread when what you said has already been proven wrong. He has been going 40+ minutes for 3 games already, and you're still going at him. We actually won game 3 and you decide to bash instead of celebrate? There is a time to critcize and a time to celebrate. Critcizing t-mac in game 3 is bull*****. Ye he made a few bad shots, but he was one important factor for the rocket's victory. I'm pissed at you because you've decided to make a post thread, AFTER GAME 3. Did brooksball make a "Post Playoff? No way" thread after the rockets secured playoff spot? Did he make it just so he won't get bashed any further in that thread? You made it because you don't want to be bashed. I was actually happy at first to see "T-mac Revisited" because I thought you were going to apologize. But no, you had to use the term "Revisited", when "Revisited" usually means a change of opinion. Why don't you call this thread "T-mac Recriticize (post can-of-quit)" instead if you're making a post thread to post even more negative comments
1. Did you see that 1st free throw .. .[on a string] . .he short armed it bad . .that was pure NERVES 2. Last aweful shot . . . .we agree 3. T-Mac fan common practice of throwing someone else under the bus to protect T-mac .. . he was suppose to rotate to OKUR and did not 4. it was a flop . . . Rocket River
bullard went over that play after the game and it was obvious that it was scola's fault. TNT did the replay and barkley said it was scola's fault. scola had no business sagging in there.
I agree with a lot of what u say Rileydog. I think the way Tracy Pippen is should be a blessing instead of a curse. That's why I agreed with DD and Gater on getting a sg trapped in a pg body like Gordon, but I'm a real big artest guy. He's that mean s.o.b. the rox really need. I think if u put a couple more finishers and players with tracy, he can be 18-7-7 easy. Truthfully, I don't think yao is the guy many expect him to be either. Yao will never have that dominant instinct either. If he wanted to dominate the game, he could, but his stamina and mentality will always hold him back. Not to mention he has missed 30 games per the last 3. The rox can take the next step regardless of what happens this series. I said it before that they're artest away from being a champion. If they can get him and have tracy and yao healthy along with Brooks and scola, that's pretty good. I know a lot of people want the 30ppg tracy, but that's not his nature anymore. He's been there ,done that and it got him nowhere.
