T-Mac or Redd?

For those saying trade him for Ray Allen do me a favor and use your brain.

Two things:

1. Boston is dominanting and would not trade one of the big three and risk ruining everything. Would you risk pissing off Garnett or Pierce when everything is going perfectly.

2. Houston wouldn't want the deal. Ray Allen has missed plenty of games in the last 4 years (more than TMac I believe) and is four years or so older than McGrady. So Houston gets a player not as good, just as injury prone, and already is on the twilight years of his career.

So to these people do me a favor and just stop. Please!

 

Tracy took a team of equal talent to the playoffs. What is redd doing in the terrible east. What system was the rox running in the last 5 mins last night? Players make plays , not systems. The grizz run a suns system, look at their record.

 

Thank you. You have the system that you go into the game playing. but your ability to adjust and go in and out of the "system" is what is going to dictate whether you are a winner or loser. Far too much is being put on the system. It's important, but not of paramount importance.

 

Talk about a chucker. That's all Redd is. He offers NOTHING else other than hot streak shooting.

 

michael redd? not the same level player as T-mac, the most importantly, he cant pass

 

Tmac is a great defensive player when he wants to be. He can pass, rebound, and block shots. All Redd does is shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. Imagine how deadly the Rockets are going to be once Tmac really integrates into the offense. Now imagine Redd running around and chucking all night while Scola, Head, and all the rest go back to averaging 4 shots a game.

 

I don't like this kind of poll. However, it is necessary to have a T-Mac trade in order for this team to be better.

 

I'm going to need someone to point out the differences that make this trade idea preposterous, as many are calling it. Tracy gets 1.6 more assists per game, but Redd shoots significantly better from 3pt range and the difference in FT% is freaking laughable. It doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that those more than balance out in Redd's favor.

Is Redd a superstar? No. Is he an "amazing talent!", as Tracy is often regarded? No.

But the guy shoots better, has a much better track record with health/injuries, and he takes less shots (17.2 to 19.2, despite playing more minutes) and scores more points. Using a linear projection, if Tracy played Redd's minutes he'd average 20.9 shots per game, which is roughly 4 more than Redd.

So if Redd is a ballhog, what the hell does that make Tracy? Did you ever think that Redd doesn't pass the ball all that much because *gasp* he's the best shooter on his team and one of the best in the league? We should be so lucky.

Somebody better have some damn good answers for me.

 

No answers for you, because I agree with you. Rockets fans just have a tendency to overrate their players. Remember when we thought Francis was better than Nash? Or perhaps when Mobley was an elite defender? Same thing is happening with Tracy. We over value his effectiveness. We have gone nowhere with Tracy so far, and this year our offense actually runs better without him.

Redd would spread the floor like no one else and the Rockets could actually run Adelman's system with him in there. Tracy far too much tries to be the system instead of trying to play in the system.

 

Redd is not very keen on passing. He is driving to rim more then TMac nowadays but I seen him getting rejected time and time again but he kept going until his team lost. Looked like his BB IQ is questionable also.

 

Do you have any data on BA or block against??

 

Tell that to the Spurs. They are all about a system and a philosophy, both on and off the court. Duncan is great but so is Garnett who never won anything. The Spurs have won championships with different sets of players around Duncan. Starting from the front office all the way through to choosing personnel and executing on the court, the Spurs are all about a system. I actually disagree with you. Every team has a superstar or two and players that can make plays. It is more about how you organize that talent on and off the court.

 

82games.com shows that he gets his shot blocked inside about 2% more than Tracy. That's not much, especially when you consider the fact that he still shoots 6% better on close shots despite the blocks. He also goes inside 6% more than Tracy does. Redd also draws fouls on 2.6% more of his shots, and considering the vastly better FT% that is fairly significant.

Another point in the ballhog argument is that Redd's scores are assisted 1% more than Tracy's. That means that Redd, at least slightly more than Tracy, is finishing plays made by others rather than shooting off his own creation. Sure it's not a big difference, but I'm basically saying that if your knock on Redd is that he's a ballhog, then you have to hold the same thing against Tracy.

A stat I find interesting is the "assist/bad pass" stat. Redd makes 3.3 assists for every bad pass and Tracy makes 3.6. This hints at the fact that Redd is capable of making good decisions in passing the ball, but just happens to be more of a scorer. There's nothing wrong with that if you make your shots.

 

In other words, if you take the same 15 players that were on the Spurs roster last season and put them on any other team, they likely wouldn't have won a championship. The same holds true if you took all the Spurs players from the last 10 years and moved them to another organization. They probably wouldn't have won any championships.

Duncan is great but what has made the Spurs so dominant over the last decade has been their system. That system starts at the top with their owner/management philosophy and decision-making all the way through to their coach and his approach to the game. The way the team plays is a byproduct of all of these things.

Their are plenty of teams with PGs better than Parker and SGs better than Ginobili. The talent of individual players collectively on the Spurs is not greater than many other teams. It is the environment they play in that allows them to stay a step ahead of the rest of the league. That is why you always hear that the Spurs organization is the model for the rest of the league and maybe all of professional sports. It has to do with a lot more than just the players.

 

The Answer is their Record

Redd cant win in the East with the talent he have, how do you expect him to win in the West, he is a Rudy Gay, a Corey Maggette, Ben Gordon, Joe Johnson type of player than can not impact the game even if they are putting close to superstar stats.

Sample

Rudy Gay

19-6-1 (47 FG% - 40 3P%)

Roy

19-4-5 (46 FG% - 34 3p%)

In paper Gay look a better player, but in reality Gay is miles away from having a impact than Roy is having and Rudy probably play with a better supporting cast.

Roy - T-Mac - Kobe - Lebron -Nash - CP3 -etc. are impact players, the other are not. And you need the impact players to win in this league. The only minus of T-mac is health, but I want a 68 games T-Mac over a 82 games Redd.

 

Tmac, Garnett, and Pierce... dear god that would be pretty ridiculous.


Tmac > Redd

anyday, everyday, forever and ever

 

Redd also has that big bald spot on the top of his head. It looks like a reverse yamaka.

 

Yes, because boston will do it...