1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

t-mac needs to step up

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tree-Mac, Feb 27, 2006.

Tags:
  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    128,982
    Likes Received:
    39,449
    Posts....POSTS??????

    Dude you have nearly the same number of posts as both of us put together.


    All I am saying is that if he is going to be a leader, than he has to lead? Have you ever been a leader RM? Do you know what it is like to have people look up to you? Do you?

    Because TMac is blowing it right now, he is not leading this team, he is doing what he has done at every stop in the NBA, he is going through the motions.

    Now does that mean he can't mourn? GET FRICKEN REAL DUDE !!! Of course not, he certainly can and should mourn and no one would blame him one bit.

    What do I want out of TMAC? I want a warrior, I want someone who refuses to settle and demands his teamates come with him. Right now, Tmac is leading this team just like he led his last Orlando team and THIS one has the talent to succeed, but TMac has to be the biggest part of that team.

    And right now, excuse or not, he just isn't.

    I call a duck a duck, when Tmac plays great, I love him for it, same with anyone else, but if he is going to be out there on the court going through the motions, I am going to call him out on that too.

    DD
     
  2. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,984
    Likes Received:
    1,445
    I'm not criticizing your number of posts. I'm saying your 28000 posts is enough to give someone a somewhat good idea as to how you will react to something. The disdain the two of you have for McGrady leads me to believe that the only thing he could have done to make you guys happy is score 27 ppg during this time. I think we'd still see criticism from the two of you if he had asked for a week or two off.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    128,982
    Likes Received:
    39,449
    Well, that is your problem then, you are thinking for others.

    I think Tmac needs to lead this team, and stop making excuses.

    I also think he is effected by the tragedy, and should take some time off.

    And, I think I spend too much time, thinking about it.

    Stick that in your think tank and think it !

    :)

    DD
     
  4. brentdapmp

    brentdapmp Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    750
    Likes Received:
    1
    Everyone gets caught up in the fact he is 26 years old. Therefore everyone thinks he should just be getting better and should be very good for 5 or 6 more years. This is not going to happen. He is past his prime and it is evident in him becoming a jump shooter and a bad one at that. Shooting 40% overall and 29% from 3pt. That is just simply HORRIBLE. Unfortunately his numbers are just going to keep decreasing and I expect him to call it quits before he turns 30. Some peoples bodies just can't take the punishment of many years in the NBA and Mcgrady is one of those people. His body has broken down on him at a young age and we will never see the old T-Mac except maybe every now and then in spurts.
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,782
    Likes Received:
    3,703
    I don't want to think this yet, but in this past few games it seems like he has lost a step. I think mcgrady is in denial about his body actually. I don't think personal problems are affecting him, I think he simply cannot go around people like he used to. is it permanent, I'm not ready to say that yet. but I have seen players lose their athletic advantage before, I keep thinking about how clyde drexler seemed to get old all of sudden, and mcgrady's play looks similar. and that's a scary thought.
     
  6. RocketRaccoon

    RocketRaccoon Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2001
    Messages:
    3,851
    Likes Received:
    164
    To Tracy,

    First, let me prioritize my Fandom:
    1. Texas
    2. Houston
    3. Rockets
    4. Players

    And as such, and as you can see, the charater of a player doesn't rate very high. Production is my measuring stick.

    If you can't deal with your issues, SIT. If you can't heal, SIT. If you can't produce, SIT.

    Work Hard or Go Home Tracy. Heal, get well, rest, see a counselor, whatever it takes, but don't come back until you are ready to play friggin basketball.

    In wathcing the last couple of weeks worth of games, I realized I've completely lost any expectations of you. It's like, cool if you come back strong in the second half. Cool if you don't. And this is a very bad thing considering who you are.

    Just get WELL Tracy or consider giving Houston some of it's money back so we can get someone else from KY.

    RocketRaccoon


    To this BBS,

    It's not like I hate Tracy. But I LOVE Houston awhole lot more.

    RR
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    128,982
    Likes Received:
    39,449
    You sir, should post a LOT more often.

    :D
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,725
    Likes Received:
    102,964
    And this attitude, in a nutshell, encapsulates everything that is wrong with professional sports and pro sports "fans".
     
  9. DeAleck

    DeAleck Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2003
    Messages:
    3,204
    Likes Received:
    224
    I am a huge fan of Tmac, but right now, I just can't defend him anymore. I am very disappointed. He showed absolutely no heart last night. Maybe the injury was bothering him, I don't know and I hope so, because if he's healthy and plays like this, we are done... we are done for a long long time. You just can't expect Yao to have cramp and monster games every night. The other half of the franchise needs to step it up majorly.

    I still love Tmac, and I wish him the best.
     
  10. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2005
    Messages:
    21,310
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    what if he still doens't step up? what are our options? let him take time off or still let him play?

    trade him this offseason? for who? and who's willing to trade with us?
     
  11. tiger0330

    tiger0330 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2003
    Messages:
    4,759
    Likes Received:
    63
    Don't think it can happen now because he really is playing well but Paul Pierce would be my first choice. Pierce has been the subject of trade rumors for the past couple of years but I think he retires in Celtic green now.
     
  12. Rocketeer

    Rocketeer Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 1999
    Messages:
    3,188
    Likes Received:
    1,626
    To me it seems more of a physical problem than an emotional one. McGrady has CLEARLY lost a step compared to last season. Last season he could drive it in with ease on anyone regardless of speed becuse of his lengthy frame. Now he looks slow going around players. He doesn't have that elevation on his jumpshot anymore. T-Mac's shot is so flat that he relies on his jumping ability to rise and line up his shot with the rim. Lately, he just doesn't look fluid when he rises up for a jumpshot. I' am hoping that this isn't a permanent problem. He needs to step it up or sit out a couple of games to recouperate.
     
  13. RocketRaccoon

    RocketRaccoon Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2001
    Messages:
    3,851
    Likes Received:
    164
    Please don't confuse "doesn't rate very high" with something that rates very low.

    Thanks,
    RR
     
  14. fa7999

    fa7999 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    3,050
    Likes Received:
    0
    We would have won last night with PP instead of Mac. Pierce never awed you with spectacular plays. However, he gets the job done and is very endurable during his NBA career.

    Pierce will definitely look good alongside Yao, but the best option will probably be Kobe.

    Kobe + Yao = 3 rings in the next 5 years
     
  15. Uprising

    Uprising Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2000
    Messages:
    43,073
    Likes Received:
    6,599
    I thought TMAC was all highlight reels and Carter was almost done due to injuries. Now it seems the other way aroud. Carter is getting all the flashy dunks and moves, and TMAC is trying to scurry aroud 2 defenders after a pick and roll over and over and over. Gotta try something new. Teams know how to defend that now. They end up pushing him back farther and forcing him to run farther to get by.
     
  16. YallMean

    YallMean Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2003
    Messages:
    14,284
    Likes Received:
    3,815
    Let's not bash Tmac for the sake of letting out our frustration. Dude is in a slump. For the most part of the season, he is still spectacular. Obviously, he has some issues, whether personal or injuries. For almost two years, I never seen a Tmac like this.
     
  17. Rivaldo2181

    Rivaldo2181 Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2003
    Messages:
    2,480
    Likes Received:
    246
    I think his physical issues have been bothering him but I think more so it is his emotional issues that are hampering him the most. He doesn't have that fire he had last season. He had that "look" in his eyes that nothing could stop him. When he has that look, he is the BEST player in the NBA to watch, bar none. Sadly, he has lacked that look. I think the last time he had it was against the Pistons when he just went crazy but we lost by a couple of points. If T-Mac can get that fire back, and Yao continues to dominate as he has, the Rox will make the 8th seed beat those overrated Mavs.

    Below is what I am talkin about!!!
    [​IMG]
     
  18. barryxzz

    barryxzz Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    Messages:
    1,461
    Likes Received:
    4
    I stated in the chat room last night: I have lowered my expectation for tmac for THIS season. At least he is still drawing double team, so he is still making starter contribution. But I don't expect him to go back to superstar-level production this season, if he does it will be a bonus, not a given.

    In my opinion, Tmac is a big question mark for the team. Will he ever fully recover physically or somewhere close to 100%? I will give it a 50% chance. Will he continue to have these off-court tragedy? I hope not but the odds is NOT looking good. And it's obvious the off-court issue affects him significantly. So, if Yao and him are the two engines of this Rocket, the engineers/management need to figure out a way to compensate for the reliability problem FAST.

    It's just sad that when Yao is entering his peak, Tmac is far from his peak due to numerous reason. That's why I desperately hope the management do something quick in the off-season. :(
     
  19. LegendZ3

    LegendZ3 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2002
    Messages:
    4,196
    Likes Received:
    5
    Excuse? Ok, have you people seen T-Mac play before? The 2 times scoring champ, 13 points in 35 seconds, last playoffs against the Mavs? Remember any of that? Your basketball skills doesn't just all of a sudden disappears! It's gotta to be some other factors!
     
  20. O-dawg

    O-dawg Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 1999
    Messages:
    659
    Likes Received:
    1,316
    Amen...What's really odd, is that I keep seeing people making statements like "...be a warrior Tracy", "...be a leader Tracy","...show some heart Tracy" as if the guy has never done any of these things.

    Tracy (and the entire team for that matter) has been battling injuries for the majority of this season, and like a "warrior" he has and still is fighting through them. Tracy has come up big and "led" this team to victory several times last season and a few times this season. I am not even going to question the guys "heart", knowing the fact that his mother-in-law died and that it is affecting him, I think his heart is exactly where it should be... with his grieving fianc'e.

    So how about we as fans try holding ourselves to the same standard we hold our players to for a change. Be warriors and defend the character of our players, be leaders and show support to our team (higher game attendance would be nice), and show some heart, give the guy a chance to get it together. If he wants to play through it, let him play through it... goodness knows I'd rather have half of Tracy starting than a whole Ryan Bowen starting.... :p
     
    #100 O-dawg, Feb 28, 2006
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2006

Share This Page