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T-Mac: More Interesting (Bad) Numbers

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by badgerfan, Feb 2, 2009.

  1. badgerfan

    badgerfan Member

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    I was inspired by northeastfan's thread to come up with some numbers of my own. I was wondering about what happens when any one of the big three have a big game in terms of scoring.

    T-Mac:
    Number of games with 19 or more points: 12
    Record: 7 - 5 (0.583)
    Rockets average points scored: 99.3
    Yao average points scored: 17.5
    Artest average points scored: 12.3

    Artest:
    Number of games with 19 or more points: 14
    Record: 12 - 2 (0.857)
    Rockets average points scored: 105.6
    Yao average points scored: 23.4
    T-Mac average points scored: 13.9

    Yao:
    Number of games with 19 or more points: 25
    Record: 20 - 5 (0.800)
    Rockets average points scored: 101.0
    T-Mac average points scored: 14.0
    Artest average points scored: 18.2


    I think the conclusions here are pretty obvious.
     
  2. mrm32

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    Our big 3 just didn't pan out like we had hoped. :(
     
  3. wheelmi

    wheelmi Contributing Member

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    Yep, McGrady has been recovering from surgery/injured.
     
  4. badgerfan

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    Yeah, that explains why Yao and Artest's numbers go down every time T-Mac goes for more than 19 points in a game.
     
  5. Kracka0476

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    Here are the PPG for the playoffs among active players. Playoffs were it really matters.

    1 Kobe Bryant , LAL 30.1
    2 LeBron James , CLE 28.2
    3 Tracy McGrady , HOU 27.0
    4 Dirk Nowitzki , DAL 26.8
    5 Allen Iverson , DEN 24.5
    6 Chris Paul , NOH 24.1
    7 Chris Bosh , TOR 24.0
    8 Amare Stoudemire , PHX 23.2
    9 Carmelo Anthony , DEN 22.5
    10 Tony Parker , SAS 22.4

    Only Kobe and Lebron are better than Tmac come playoff time.
     
  6. dtowninyourtown

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    so basically we are best when Tmac scores 14 points.
     
  7. rocketsmetalspd

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    By the resent threads most would not mind TMac being traded Feb. 19th. I don't know what Morey has planned but I am sure a deal is in the works that will help this team get beyond the first round this season.
     
  8. TheFreak

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    Don't you know? That just shows that McGrady gets no help.
     
  9. rocketsmetalspd

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    Those numbers are great but the ones that count are getting out of the first round and getting to the finals.
     
  10. rocketsmetalspd

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    I believe he gets the help but he does not trust who is on the court with him at the time and resorts to imposing his will on the game.
     
  11. badgerfan

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    When T-Mac's scored more points this season the Rockets scoring average goes DOWN. Yao's scoring average goes DOWN. Artest's average goes DOWN. The Rockets have a worse record.

    Why would you want T-Mac to jack up more shots?
     
  12. Patience

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    Or, maybe T-Mac shoots the ball more when the rest of the team is struggling. That could skew the numbers to higher scoring in losses.

    I fully agree that T-Mac is valuable more for his playmaking than his scoring at this point (although I feel his scoring talent will be more important than people realize in the playoffs). I don't think this proves T-Mac is a bad player however. He is useful for more than just points scored.
     
  13. LabMouse

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    Where were the helps? Why did Tmac not get the helps? You mean the helps went to others.

     
  14. JayZ750

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    While it's a kind of useless, pull something out of the air stat, from a poster who has a clear record of not being a T-Mac fan, it is interesting nonetheless.

    Do something similar with FG%. Maybe do something similar with overall big games, too - make up your own classification for "big game".

    It'd be completely arbitrary based on whatever metrics you define for big games, but I'd be curious if you took each of the big 3, found the games they had that were "big", then showed all of the other major Rockets players (Yao, Artest, Scola, Battier, Alston, Brooks, Landry), noted whether they had "big/good (for them)" games, and the Rockets records.

    thanks
     
  15. Kracka0476

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    Absolutely right. But winning the finals is determined by the quality of a team and not the quality of an individual. To pin your pitfalls on a single player is an unfair assessment. The purpose was to show that Tracy elevates his game when it matters most and that for every so called "bad" stats you could dig up on this years injury riddled performance from Mcgrady there are just as many good ones.
     
  16. northeastfan

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    FWIW, these are the ones without rings ... aren't rings what really matter?
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    This is a typically ill informed post....

    It has been proven time and time again that Tmac's numbers go up because he shoots more...

    DD
     
  18. Shaunjon

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    Your post is kind of ironic. McGrady might score alot in the playoffs, but those high numbers obviously mean jack **** since he is still 0-7 in playoff series.
     
  19. Kracka0476

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    I love posting positive things about T-Mac and watching the haters line up.
     
  20. redao

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    That's scary.

    When TMAC scores 19 points, we are 7-5. we are still winning.

    but if TMAC scores 27 points, are we going to be 3:4 ?

    No wonder TMAC can not pass the first round.
     

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