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T-Mac, Jalen Rose, and Chauncey bash the Rockets (ESPN)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by csc177, Nov 18, 2015.

  1. swyyyguy

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    t-mac owns. he will continue to spit that truth and i will do the same.
     
  2. tinman

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    Shaq is a better analyst than tmac
    I'm sure tmac is there on espn cause Stephen a smith got him a job.

    Tmac is great at sitting down and dogging other players
     
  3. bulkatron

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    Say it ain't so... But yes - the parallels between Harden and T Mac are now glaringly obvious. Last year I would have said no.
     
  4. LabMouse

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    Well, Harden's name is already associated with TMac, that is not a good thing. Morey may need start to think about a trade of Harden for a pure winner.
     
  5. bulkatron

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    Problem is you wouldn't get 50 cents on the dollar when you trade a superstar. Look at the bags of chips that Orlando got when they shipped out T Mac.
     
  6. tinman

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    You have solid knowledge of rockets history
     
  7. rockets13champs

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    Harden already surpassed tmac in alot of things
     
  8. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    Francis was more than half the player Tracy was. Before the trade, Tracy had already showed signs of injury problems, quitting on his team, and being a playoff choke. Add Mobley and that trade was easily fair. Steve just broke down earlier than expected.

    Regarding Harden, he's not that huge a loss anyway.
    1) defense
    2) leadership
    When salary is considered, Harden can be argued as a detriment to his team.
     
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    LMAO T-Mac was a superstar.
     
  10. YaoMing#1

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    Your crazy harden with no defense is a bargain at 15 mil a season he's only been 1st team all NBA 2 years running and only 26.

    To say harden wouldn't be that huge of a loss? Really? I'm questioning your baskeball Iq at the moment. Nobody was saying any of this lay year when he was a top 3 player undisputable and leading a starting five with a never been in the rotation dmo as his second best player with Tarik black and canaan and they were getting wins, a lot of them.
     
  11. Houstunna

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    James @15mil isn't bad. Thought he was 20's.

    People focus on offense, a lot. Harden might be Top 3 offensively (with Durant injured), but his overall game isn't Top 3. He isn't clutch in the playoffs either. He'll never be the best player on a champion.

    Btw- Pretty much those same teammates you mentioned led the biggest comeback in NBA history without him.


    James @15mil isn't bad. Thought he was 20's.
     
  12. alleyoop

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    If the problems on this team can simply be summed up to one player and it was just that simple don't you think it would be fixed by now?

    Its funny how people jump on the bandwagon (good or bad) and always pile on a scape goat every year. If it's not Cato, Francis or Tmac or Jacoby Jones, Carr or Schaub (ok maybe this one was right) its ONE sole player as the cause to all problems with the team.

    There is no perfect player (except for Dream) having a TEAM that covers the gaps of one another and strengthens what they do well is the answer.

    Blaming the best player on the team is the laziest way to complain and criticize as a sports fan.

    So I guess it was Watt's fault we started so poorly because he isn't scoring as many TDs this year compared to last?

    Lets be smarter fans and recognize fault can be laid at all the Rox players feet. I only see one allstar (as imperfect as he is) on this team, so where is everyone else playing with him?
     
  13. oakdogg

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    Man, had you been on the board at the time, you would have been just like everybody else on the board, b*ching about how Kevin Martin wasn't a superstar, wasn't a closer - how we needed a closer. Now, we have James Harden and you want to trade him for some more Kevin Martins. Such is the cycle of Clutchfans.

    How about the role players doing one g*d d*mn thing for once??!!!
     
  14. Houstunna

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    It's not all or nothing. One player doesn't have to be ALL the problem, but they can be the most. Harden's effort is infectious. The next time we get back on a fastbreak will be the first time.

    More like, "the best player on the team being lazy is the easiest way to blame, complain, and criticize said player".

    Only QBs effect games like one basketball player, much less, a defensive football player.




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    Btw- Kevin Martin's biggest problem was his bad defense... so he was uphill from the start.
     
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  15. malakas

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    I dont think we should trade Harden.
    No and no. How do u propose solving the problem of ur franchise player who plays the most minutes in the team being a complete mega blackhole in defence no doing pnr with howard and shooting horribly? Also not even trying to play offball?

    And no the most lazy thing to do is close ur eyes like a blind homer and keep repeating to urself that everything is fine and perfect. And also still living in the past. (Last year).
     
  16. alleyoop

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    How much offense do we expect from D Jordan, rodman, mutombo or Noah?
    How about how much defence did we ask of Dirk, Nash, ray allen or Barkley?
    We put players around them that mask their weakness and game plan/ coach to maximize what each player does well. Onesided players can be used to win if their one side is dominate

    If he is playing the most minutes but is the biggest problem then it sounds like we dont have a coach who knows how to win?
     
  17. oakdogg

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    Man, it's like you're not even addressing points. You're just throwing garbage at any point and acting like you addressed it.

    NOBODY is talking about LAST YEAR right now. All of the role players except for Capela have given nothing so far. You are not going to win with nothing from that many players. Harden even makes their job easy on offense. They are getting nothing but wide open shots that they cannot make.

    You missed my whole point on Kevin Martin. I'm not even wasting time explaining it.
     
  18. alleyoop

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    So lets say Harden has caused an echo effect on the team;
    I ask the board, if we replaced Harden with which other two guard straight up and it makes us a true contender?
     
  19. alleyoop

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    What he said

    There are very few bright spots when we look at individual performances by Rox players this year;

    Not Rocket Science but it kinda explains the record
     
  20. malakas

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    Barkley and Nash never won a ring. Ray allen never won a ring as the first star. He was always the third guy at best. Dirk when he won played much better defence than the current harden. Infact its even insulting comparing these guys to harden because they at leasy TRIED on defence. Harden has reached historical levels for a "star".
    So basically u are saying that if u compete in defence like harden does now and u are the no.1 guy ur team will lose. Got it.
     

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