T-Mac for Baron Davis? (Update from Sporting News)

HombreDeHierro · Feb 18, 2009

JayGoogle said:

How do you know he'd be like Tmac?

Tmac is the exception not the rule. Players play well into their 30s and are still productive, hell there is a LONG list of players who still produce good play well into their 30s and Baron isn't evne 30 yet.

Players like Nash/Kidd/Shaq/Camby/Kobe will be one/ Celtics Big 3

If Baron loves it here, we can get 3 to 4 good years out of him.
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true..

at least 3 years i know. i just don't want to see another great player fade season by season =[ its sad

tinman · Feb 18, 2009

Baron Davis
Ron Artest
Battier
Scola
Yao

Rick the Ruler's offense

That doesn't sound bad.

Painting_Shade · Feb 18, 2009

PLEASSSSEEEEEEEEEE

tmac + head/dorsey/even brooks

for

davis/kaman

omg

win

Sooner423 · Feb 18, 2009

To fellow Jazz haters, as I'm sure most of you are-

If these clips don't sell you on Davis, I don't know what will...

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JayGoogle · Feb 18, 2009

rox4lyf said:

What most of you guys aren't taking into account is that Tracy's career may be over. Trading for anyone decent at this point is a win-win situation.

Baron Davis, while injury prone, is much more durable than Tracy. Also, it's interesting that he only suffers those injuries during the years on bad teams. Baron tries hard when he believes there's a chance to win. On the Rockets, I believe he will play hard.

When people use statistics to justify the worth of a player it really irks me. Sure, Baron is shooting a poor percentage this season, but it doesn't mean that he's done for good. Whoever said he was a "worse Steve Francis" has obviously not watched Baron in his early days in Charlotte or in GS. He plays big on big stages and is a clutch performer. Baron tries hard when he needs to, not necessarily a good thing, but he'll be put into a good situation in Houston. And when Baron tries hard, he is a top 5 PG, which is more than the Rockets have ever had, and enough for us to compete with the big boys in the West.
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Yeah man, I was saying the same thing yesterday.

Baron's history implies that if he's put on a good team, he'll be healthy and ready to go. Baron doesn't like strict coaches...but player coaches who gives him the freedom he likes those. Or History shows that...

Adelman will give him the freedom he desires and Baron is not a selfish player. He actually WANTS his teammates to do well so he'll give it to Yao and Artest...well he kinda demands the ball.

If we're trading Tmac for Baron...its a risk but you have to take risk unless you're the Celtics or Lakers where other teams give you their star players.

Breaker · Feb 18, 2009

Can this deal still go through? Even though T-Mac announced today that he going to be "out for the season"?

GuerillaBlack · Feb 18, 2009

Breaker said:

Can this deal still go through? Even though T-Mac announced today that he going to be "out for the season"?
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What I'm wondering.

worzel gummidge · Feb 18, 2009

Breaker said:

Can this deal still go through? Even though T-Mac announced today that he going to be "out for the season"?
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Teams can waive a physical just like the Knicks did with Mobley.

JayGoogle · Feb 18, 2009

Breaker said:

Can this deal still go through? Even though T-Mac announced today that he going to be "out for the season"?
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Only if the clips allow it to happen. It sounds like they'd do it too because they want out of his contract.

J.R. · Feb 18, 2009

JayGoogle said:

Only if the clips allow it to happen. It sounds like they'd do it too because they want out of his contract.
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Now only if Les will get off his high horse and ship him out already.

Jacquescas · Feb 18, 2009

I doubt it but i wonder if they are considering other options. If Clippers want to dump Baron we could give them Alston, Head and Landry and a 2nd rounder.

They get 1 expiring contract this year in Head
They get a replacement in Alston for this year and next year (clears for 2010)
They get a productive young 4 in Landry to fill Brands shoes or trade away
and a pick

Clippers get out from under baron's contract after it obviously failed. I doubt there are much better offers for Davis out there. Plus on a dollar to dollar level its cheaper to take these 3 than Tmac. and its pretty strong to say that 2 years of alston and 3 years of landry is probably going to be more productive than 2 years of Tmac(this year and next with this already a wash). So it makes more sense on the court.

if we did that next year we could have a starting 5 of

Baron Davis
T-Mac
Artest
Scola
Yao

that would be worth watching. we would be forced to resign artest cause with Davis and yao we would have no caproom for a long time so this would be it until it was completely blown up but "on paper" its interesting. We would have battier and brooks and wafer as the main players off the bench.

Chuck 4 · Feb 18, 2009

Breaker said:

Can this deal still go through? Even though T-Mac announced today that he going to be "out for the season"?
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Yes. It would be strictly a salary dump for The Clips.

J.R. · Feb 18, 2009

Jacquescas said:

I doubt it but i wonder if they are considering other options. If Clippers want to dump Baron we could give them Alston, Head and Landry and a 2nd rounder.

They get 1 expiring contract this year in Head
They get a replacement in Alston for this year and next year (clears for 2010)
They get a productive young 4 in Landry to fill Brands shoes or trade away
and a pick

Clippers get out from under baron's contract after it obviously failed. I doubt there are much better offers for Davis out there.

if we did that next year we could have a starting 5 of

Baron Davis
T-Mac
Artest
Scola
Yao

that would be worth watching. we would be forced to resign artest cause with Davis and yao we would have no caproom for a long time so this would be it until it was completely blown up but "on paper" its interesting. We would have battier and brooks and wafer as the main players off the bench.
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Where are you getting T-Mac in the starting lineup? Hes out, hes done with.

Chuck 4 · Feb 18, 2009

Jacquescas said:

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if we did that next year we could have a starting 5 of

Baron Davis
T-Mac
Artest
Scola
Yao
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I dont know for sure, but I am pretty sure that after hearing Adelman on 1560, Tmac will never play another game as a Rocket. Healthy next year or not.

spookyoldtree · Feb 18, 2009

Are you daydreaming by putting mcgrady in the lineup?!!

Jacquescas said:

I doubt it but i wonder if they are considering other options. If Clippers want to dump Baron we could give them Alston, Head and Landry and a 2nd rounder.

They get 1 expiring contract this year in Head
They get a replacement in Alston for this year and next year (clears for 2010)
They get a productive young 4 in Landry to fill Brands shoes or trade away
and a pick

Clippers get out from under baron's contract after it obviously failed. I doubt there are much better offers for Davis out there.

if we did that next year we could have a starting 5 of

Baron Davis
T-Mac
Artest
Scola
Yao

that would be worth watching. we would be forced to resign artest cause with Davis and yao we would have no caproom for a long time so this would be it until it was completely blown up but "on paper" its interesting. We would have battier and brooks and wafer as the main players off the bench.
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Jacquescas · Feb 18, 2009

it ssaid NEXT year.... obviously this year would have Wafer or someone else starting in his place, Battier most likely.

spookyoldtree · Feb 18, 2009

mcgrady's career is over, at least with the rockets.

Jacquescas said:

it ssaid NEXT year.... obviously this year would have Wafer or someone else starting in his place, Battier most likely.
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Jacquescas · Feb 18, 2009

Jacquescas said:

I doubt it but i wonder if they are considering other options. If Clippers want to dump Baron we could give them Alston, Head and Landry and a 2nd rounder.

They get 1 expiring contract this year in Head
They get a replacement in Alston for this year and next year (clears for 2010)
They get a productive young 4 in Landry to fill Brands shoes or trade away
and a pick

Clippers get out from under baron's contract after it obviously failed. I doubt there are much better offers for Davis out there. Plus on a dollar to dollar level its cheaper to take these 3 than Tmac. and its pretty strong to say that 2 years of alston and 3 years of landry is probably going to be more productive than 2 years of Tmac(this year and next with this already a wash). So it makes more sense on the court.

if we did that next year[/U] we could have a starting 5 of

Baron Davis
T-Mac
Artest
Scola
Yao

that would be worth watching. we would be forced to resign artest cause with Davis and yao we would have no caproom for a long time so this would be it until it was completely blown up but "on paper" its interesting. We would have battier and brooks and wafer as the main players off the bench.
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see how it says next year, i assume this year is a wash. (first round bust or MAYBE second round tops)

Asian Sensation · Feb 18, 2009

01-05-2009, 06:14 AM #1127
Asian Sensation
MemberSince: Oct 1999Posts: 4,221 Member: #924
Houston Trades:

Tracy McGrady and Rafer Alston

LA Clippers Trade:

Baron Davis and Marcus Camby

Depth Chart

Bdiddy/Brooks/Barry
Artest/Head/Wafer
Battier/Artest
Scola/Landry/Hayes
Yao/Camby/Deke

Ideal starting lineup would be:

B.diddy
Artest
Battier
Camby
Yao

Or we can go small and have a fastbreak/transition game just because we can. Also changes the tempo and gives the opposing defense different looks.

Diddy/Brooks/Artest/Battier/Landry

Let Brooks try and play the role of Monta Ellis from years past with Bdiddy running the point. Battier as lock down defender and spotting up in corner per usual. Use Artest in the opposite corner or let him post or take his man one on one. Landry and or Scola are pretty good at finishing in transition. With the proposed acquisitions we'd be incredibly flexible and complete.

Clippers lineup would be:

Alston/Jason Hart
Mcgrady/Eric Gordon/Collins
Thornton/Ricky Davis/ Novak
Zach Randolph/Skinner
Kaman/Paul Davis

This is a pretty good lineup for the Clippers and I'd say it's an improvement. We get rid of Tmac and Rafer Alston. Bdiddy is struggling, he doesn't seem to fit in and Clip fans don't seem to pleased with him. A change of scenery is desperately needed for both Mac and Diddy. We send Mac to a loser team where he belongs. Kaman's happy since he'll have his minutes back with Camby gone.

Clippers are going nowhere fast with Baron Davis right now. He's kind of holding them hostage right now as well if you really think about it. No fire/ No passion/coming off injury/not excited and or cheering for teammates/can't be seen on bench. Sounds familiar huh? Both Mcgrady and Baron's trade values are really low right now. More-so for Mcgrady I know that. However, Tracy's contract comes off the books in 2010 compared to Baron who recently signed a 5 year deal. Mcgrady will give the fans in LA something to get excited about temporarily but more importantly it gives them a bid for 2010 while we go about our business of trying to win the championship like we were originally supposed to. We cannot have Tracy dragging ass and holding us back. Each day and game things are only getting worse. Our window of opportunity is this year and next year. Yao/Artest/Shane are not getting any younger or better for that matter. If Baron Davis was excited to have an opportunity to play alongside Elton Brand before he bolted then he should be ecstatic to play with Yao and Artest and likewise from Yao/Artest. I really think this is a win-win situation for everyone. Make it happen!

I originally proposed this deal over a month ago in the random trade thread. It made a lot of sense at the time for both parties. Considering the way Tracy sabotaged us however (intentionally or not), by saying things like he'll come back stronger than ever, back to 100%, I'll have the last laugh etc. I think we reluctantly didn't trade him and might have shot ourselves in the foot with Mac's latest news.

Chuck 4 · Feb 18, 2009

I would be more intrigued if another outlet started running with this story. Never really heard of this Deveney guy. Is he reliable?

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