T-Mac down in every statistical category since last season

? uh....sure

 

To the OP: If you think this team would be anywhere REMOTELY CLOSE to where they are right now, you are a fool.

If you don't think McGrady has lead them, then who has?

Tracy McGrady has some of the most misleading individual statistics in the NBA.

 

Errr... that should say "If you think this team would be anywhere REMOTELY CLOSE to where they are right now without McGrady, you are a fool."

 

There are a lot of arguments like this in this, and many other threads of the same type. But I've never really understood it.

Sure, T-Mac is very good. And without him, the Rockets would suck... but is this how far T-Mac has sunk to? That fans are just saying, "Well, if we take him off the roster, the Rockets would not be as good." Well, that's just great. You know what? Not having Landry hurt the Rockets. Not having Battier would be detrimental to the Rockets. Should we be handing them max contracts next year?

I personally feel T-Mac should be held to a higher level of accountability. The guy makes $20 mil a year. I think that's 30% of our salary, or more than the rest of our lineup(Deke, Scola, Battier, Alston) combined.

Is he contributing what his salary dictates?

 

I see way too many flaws in people's non justified "statements".

First, t-mac no longer an all-star, no longer a superstar? Come on that is just pure ignorance. So because RA expected t-mac's numbers to go down means he isn't a superstar?
Hello? RA emphasizes on team, not on a single player like JVG.

And also, name me another non super star player who plays with rookies, newly traded players and below average PGs yet still go on an amazing 16-5 run, IN THE WEST.

Hell Mr. King James is a super all star isn't he? He has a better team roster than the rockets, more experienced players than the rockets and plays in a MUCH weaker conference than the rockets. But can he lead a team to at least 16-5? Or at least win 10 straight games? NO.

This seperates t-mac from kobe, james, and all these other superstars. Ignorant fans would consider all-star as a player who has awesome individual stats. Kobe went 53 on grizzlies at home, but lost. I wonder why? King James is a great player, with great individual stats, but how come his team can't go 50+ games in the weaker conference?

T-mac is a leader, in my opinion the BEST leader in NBA. Nobody can accomplish even half the things t-mac does with his current roster. Look at the LA Lakers with Kobe bryant, Without Gasol, they're downright bad. And Bynum, well he will be a good player, but IMO not a super star.

So yes, IMO T-mac may not have all-star stats (he could if the offense revolved around him like last year), but he definately has all-star leadership.

To sum it up. If you put t-mac with a crap team, he'll take them somewhere, just like his orlando days. If 1 man can bring a horrible team to a playoff team, he deserves everything that he gets even salary.

 

I was going to say the same exact things but you beat me to it. Its not about what people see on stat sheets that matter its about your team record and the stat sheets tell me Tracy is our best player leading this team through the toughest conference of all time.

Whats mis leading about his averages is the real stats minus the first 32 games should not even be looked at because of his new role in a new system surrounded by different players and a new coach and his real stats since Yao went out dont add up to what they would tell me this year overall. At one point during the streak after Yao went out he was putting up better numbers than Kobe Bryant.

 

Ehsan Ehsan Ehsan. The exact thing I emphasized NOT TO SAY. Let me ask you a question, what makes a player a leader? Someone who puts up big numbers, or someone who makes his teammates better?

The answer is obvious, but how can it be proven?
It can't can it? You can't prove T-mac is a better player, but as far as I'm concerned STATISTICALLY, the rockets are not a good team without T-mac, and with t-mac they're a really good team. Your statement is wrong here.

If stats are so damn important, I don't see King James going anywhere, nor carmelo, nor iverson. As for Kobe, if it wasn't for Odom, Bynus or Gasol, where do you think he'll be? T-mac could lead the team without superstar help, can Kobe? He at least got Odom to back him up (and as far as Im concerned, the lakers team hate Kobe, but cannot afford to trade him).

So to answer your statement. If you ain't a stat watcher (which you obviously are now), you should know we were playing JVG style at the beginning of the season. Of Course t-mac will put up good numbers.

No proof that t-mac makes the team better, well I answered that statiscally didn't I. And don't tell me for one second that as a rocket fan you think the team is better without T-mac. Seriously, that would be the worse statement ever made.

And once again, T-mac HAS been a superstar on average. If you would stop looking at the stats that is you'll understand. But even if you did look at the stats, you should know that T-mac has been playing great in the previous games. Even the game against clippers tonite. Yes 5-16, but I guess 8 reb and 9 assist aint super star quality?

And t-mac does worse against elite teams because they have..... defense maybe?

 

You make no sence. T-Mac's #'s went down and every time Yao is away his numbers go back up?

The first 32 games the offense was set up for him because of Yao now Yao is out he has to do a little bit more to win games including sacrificing his own numbers to do it. Again stats are misleading not 100% accurate of his impact or production during these games. He was putting up 29ppg and 7.5 assist. What people look at is his season on paper and numbers mixed in with everything i told you before its misleading. Game plans change production can go up or down win or lose. Bottom line is you dont determine a player by numbers on paper only by potential its not 100% accurate. He is putting up 25ppg right now since Yao went down. This does not mean he is not helping this team or for the most part make it better only the record of 13-5 dictates that. So who set up Battier's and Novak's game winning shots again? Just because he did not take the shot does not mean he is not helping this team.

 

I think he's actually saying the Rockets have better role players than someone like the Cavs, and that those role players are carrying T-Mac. Wow...

 

Are you sure your true beliefs are that

?

 

Classic case of being drunk with stats, and taking them out of context.

As long as the team is winning, I could care less how much one guy scores no matter who he is.

 

Lol, yes but that was also the major flaw in the statement. Theres a simple difference betwen Mac and James
1. James is statistically better than T-mac this year
2. Cavs have a more experienced roster compared to the rockets. And the Cavs line up have more veteran experience in NBA playoffs as well as "role-playing"
3. James play in a weaker conference
4. Cavs still suck despite being in the west.

As for T-mac
1. T-mac is not statistically better than James
2. Rookies play a big part in the line up, and the line is farely new as well.
3. T-mac does not have a "known" player in the team helping him since Yao Ming's out. The cavs have, Z and Wallace. (Larry Huges and Gooden before).
4. Rockets play in a tougher conference, and no doubt the Toughest division.
5. Rockets are doing much much better than the cavs.

Roll-Players don't just come along. Roll-Players need to be made role-players. A coach can't do that, only the leader of the team can do that. It would be his decision whether to rely on Scola or not, whether to pass the ball to battier, whether to trust his teammates. Thats how the major role-players were created. T-mac didn't have to choose to pass to battier or scola. But he did, and scola now has the role as an important post player who takes feed of t-mac's passes.

And no, the role-players are not carring t-mac, nor is t-mac carrying the team. T-mac has decided to divide the weight between his teammates, with him having the biggest piece. Unlike last year, he can now actually be off the bench, he doesn't need to take the shooter role that often anymore.

 

Fixed
Despite playing in the east that is for Lebron.

 

This also was a concern for me. What this states to me is that tmac is not driven or have the passion to win a championship. The championship is not going to be handed to you. You have to put in the work that is going to make you the best possible player you can be. And for all you people that talk about it's a team game, we know that. But we also know that Tmac is not giving his all. The stats reflect that. During his Rocket career he has not shown any considerable improvement other than his assist where he had a career high.

 

Something else thats down this year:

T-Mac's pullup 3 pointers. In previous years, he was good for 2 or 3 per game, but this year they only seem to come on momentum swings where he is trying to force the other team to call a timeout. Or they come at the 35 second mark in a 2 for 1 situation(though more often than not he has been penetrating and finding a different shot).

He isnt taking as many "heatchecks" as in past years.

 

Not really.

Looking at per minute production (since his minutes increased quite a bit), you can see that he was more productive in rebounds, steals, assists, turnovers, and fouls. He was only slightly less productive in blocks. He was significantly down in points per game, but that is because he was getting about 20% less shots per minute compared to last year. His shooting %'s were down only slightly.

 

Exactly. His stats are down but we matched last years win total already. I want team success!

Also, I bet Tmac's shooting percentage is down atleast .010% just due to the fact that he is the team's bailout shooter when the shot clock is running down. I can't tell you how many times I've noticed this season someone passing up the shot out of unselfishness only to have tmac take an off balanced floating away 20 footer because there were 2 seconds on the shot clock. People that base everything on stats are morons.