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T-Mac and the offense = bad fit?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by badgerfan, Nov 17, 2008.

  1. agentkirb87

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    No one other than guys like Scola, Wafer, Brooks, and Landry cut. You don't see Artest, Alston, or McGrady cut ever. They just stand out at the 3 point line. I don't think its an unwillingness to cut, I think its just the offense doesn't demand that they cut. This isn't Adelman's Sacramento offense.

    The offense should be to get the players in their element. This means getting Yao deep in the post, getting Artest going to the basket, and getting Tmac in a position to drive and pop it out to someone.
     
  2. tinman

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    Good to see you show up once in while Doc Rocket, I thought the newbs scared your insight away from here!
     
  3. Seth

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    I would love Adelman to use T-Mac as sixth men along with brooks (he seems to like the kid).


    Just the way SA uses Ginobili, he enters as a sixth man, but from the moment he enters the game he plays one or 2 mins with TD and TP and then they are both removed from the game and the offense runs through him.

    Your second unit could be Brooks-Wafer-T-mac-Landry-Hayes (i would love us to sign McDyess)
     
  4. abigwreck

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    Remember last season when T-mac was out and the offense finally started clicking? Reporters were asking him if he thought the team played better without him ect. If he does miss a little time, It might give us a little bit of time to figure out how to run the offense with Artest and Yao.

    Obviously, I know we are worse with T-mac off the court and I realize it will be completely different with Yao T-mac and Ron all playing together, however maybe it could give us some consistency.
     
  5. SuperMarioBro

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    I swear to god we have this exact same discussion EVERY YEAR after the Rockets play a single good game or stretch (of any length) without one of either Yao or McGrady.

    If there's one guy the numbers simply cannot lie about, though, it's McGrady. The Rockets just don't win nearly as many games without him as they do with him. Hopefully that will be less true this year, but there still is not a doubt in my mind that he makes us a better team.
     
  6. bsugfg

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    It wasnt just ytd but most of the games we played this season. It is clear that out 2nd unit has more ball movements than our starters.
    Some of us like watching ball movements and some of us like iso.
    But the fact is that when tmac is on the floor, everyone just stands there and watch (except landry, I think he played well with tmac).
    Once tmac is out, everyone starts to pick up the rythm and thats why everyone made their shot.
    I am not saying we shouldnt play tmac but in some ocasions like in the Spurs game shooting with a low %, he shoulnt played the last few minutes.
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    But what can Adelman do? I think Tmac needs some hidden tough love, where you go to him and say....something is not right Tracy, let's shut you down, get your knee right and come back stronger than ever, it is a long season.

    Then you move on with what you have and as the team starts to gel and win, while running the offense, Tmac will come around.

    Also, while he is out, you WORK HIS ARSE OFF in rehab....all in a "Get you right, for your own good" way of course.

    DD
     
  8. Seth

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    If he is out for some games that would be a perfect excuse to bring him back "slowly"
     
  9. DaDakota

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    I totally agree, it is time to move on, let him sulk and as he sees the bus leaving the station he can run to catch up.

    DD
     
  10. Seth

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    Actually last season T-Mac actually started playing the Adelman system once he saw the team win without him and realising that he wasn´t as important as he believed, that´s when Yao got broke and T-Mac started playing more of a passer than a shooter.

    If the team get´s to work properly then he will have to buy into the system or be an eternal sixth man, playing his way.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Agreed, and this year we have Artest, Brooks, Barry and Wafer, so let him sit....and heal.

    DD
     
  12. AntiSonic

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    Tracy's days here are numbered. It's clear the team is better without him.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    I am not sure about that, but it might prove to be true, sometimes playing together as a team is better than catering to a primadonna.

    DD
     
  14. badgerfan

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    If T-Mac sits out it could be a blessing in disguise if the offense is firing on all cylinders by the time he gets back.
     
  15. dram1

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    Yes Sir...this is correct.

    The offense is clicking when he is not sitting at the top of the key waiting to get the ball. And when ball movement results in the ball eventually being swung to him, the ball and "motion" of the other players stops, because HE stops. He just palms it, holds it out behind his back away from the defense and preceeds into a series of head fakes. That doesn't result in a scoring opportunity, so he wait for the pick from Yao. Most teams defend this by forcing Tracy all the way out about two or three steps behing the 3-pt line, at which point he decides to shoot a deep 3, drive into the lane or kick it out. But much of the movement form his teammates has ceased by this time, so there are few to no "quality" targets.

    That's why it is imperative that a PG ( with the nuts to stand up to his prima-donna-ish attitude) to run the offense and be constantly pushing for guys to not stop moving. Rafer gets on Tracy all the time. But Tracy is hard-head too.
     
  16. leebigez

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    I think what adelman wants his 3 stars to do is let the offense get you points early in the games. Then when the game is tight, we go t our bread and butter. Plus he's not healthy. When ur not healthy, especially a bad knee. change of direction laterally is hard. In orlando,he was a very,very good catch and shoot guy. He can do that here and he's most effectiv when he catches and shoots inside 20ft. Its hard to do what you want to do without your legs. That's probably why yao seems kinda unsure also because of his legs.
     
  17. pewpew

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    the point is tmac was never a shooter type player even in orlando. he needs the damn ball in his hand lol. and he is still the best passer in our team, both brooks and rafer are not good enough to run the system, thats why our offence needs tmac.
     

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