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T-Mac and the offense = bad fit?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by badgerfan, Nov 17, 2008.

  1. DaDakota

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    Gonna find out how much better or worse the offense looks without TMac for a while.

    DD
     
  2. Sym0™

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    Some ppl have been saying he's been bad all season long. I will agree to that to an extent but i couldnt go past his performances in a couple of games, like the suns and the blazers and stuff. He was great.

    I'm not from america so i gotto stream my stuff...and cuz i had no downloads i listened on nba.com :rolleyes: But even the radio commentators were going on about great signs of t-mac driving. How he's driving and getting the fouls and just shooting from the Charity stripe. That's Helped by the tremendously improved free throw average.

    So we see glimpses the T-mac brilliance but we also see the 1-16 over 2games. I'm sure that he'll get healthier, he's knee's gonna get stronger and that he wont be jacking up contested shots.

    And now i just realised what i said and im gonna change it to HOPE instead of im sure
     
  3. jedicro

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    Didn't really read the whole thread, but we scored 30 in the first quarter in which he played most of the time. The Thunder just stopped hitting shots which made it seem like we were scoring more.

    The offense looked great the whole game until late in the 3rd when they started standing around.
     
  4. agentkirb87

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    To make a comment about the offense:

    Notice how we seem to be taking less 3s a game? I'm not actually sure this is good or bad, because back when JVG was the coach we set records in 3 point attempts and makes. And considering how much people will get doubled on this team having guys open at the 3 should be a good thing. Although on the other hand, less 3s means more movement, and that can't be a bad thing.
     
  5. shakegod

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    We need Tmac to make our offenses smoothly,when Tmac is out,our offenses ofter took off and played ugly.Tor me,Tmac is lazy,if he can pay some more attention on defence,he can be better.
     
  6. t_mac1

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    i love how people posts these things and really don't watch games.

    the defense GOT better when tracy left, that's why the lead improved, not the offense.

    we scored a whopping 56 points in the first half, shooting 52%. tracy shot 4-6 for 8 points.

    in the 2nd half when tracy didn't play except for 2 minutes, we scored 44 points and our fg% dropped to 45%.

    yes, the reason our offense sucked tonight was b/c of tracy :rolleyes:

    do people just like to point the finger at tracy just b/c?

    tracy can run the offense. right now, he's not healthy enough to do so. our offense is still at its best with tracy on the floor. we have had our best shooting nights (fg% wise) when tracy shoots the ball well.
     
  7. trueroxfan

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    tmac wants to win bad, but he can't do anything right until he is healed. for god's sake please sit the f down and let the damn knee heal
     
  8. v_sunny

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    Rick Adelman On Tracy McGrady injury:

    “With Tracy, he said his knee was sore and to put him back in when he’s limping and it’s bothering him, makes no sense to me. We were better with him out. "
     
  9. killlogan

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    :D No T-Mac, no pain or failure or frustrations... ... Without tmac, we'll have nothing left but victory and championship. Hell her. Maybe it's time for tmac to take her wife's(now she seems to be tmac's husband because tmac is more female)job in giving birth to their third child. We all expect her third son or daughter, her baby who is going to be breeded by tmac herself. I even think Ms Mac can do a better job as a teamleader than the former Mr Mac. Mac gotta know that a pregnancy is even more troublesome than his injuries all over his body, she may realize that it's better to be a man than a woman and start to man up next season. Give us a impressive season before leaving houson, Madam T-mac, we aren't extend your gabage contract though. I still hope you play a good season in 09-10 and earn yourself a big contract from another team, we're gonna use the salary space you leave to sign LBJ who can bring us a title rather than falling down in the first round time after time.
     
  10. flamingdts

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    This might actually be true, but when our offense don't work, we will need McGrady in the lineup, we've seen that over and over again.

    Last year, it appears that when RA offense doesn't work, we resolve to McGrady and Yao offense or McGrady drawing the double team and getting a teammate an open shot.

    However, at this stage, McGrady needs more rest. He is a liability on offense and defense. We need him at 100%.
     
  11. Alvin Choo

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    happen last year as well. Injury to Tmac= more passing and movement.

    But then, when playing without yao= more passing and movement as well.

    As long as the players get the points on the board and do it efficiently, i can live with 1 on 1 everyday.
     
  12. leebigez

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    I think it does at times look better without Tracy, as it does without Yao or Artest. The offense always look better when you're making shots though. People will say scoal played well because of the movement and stuff and to a certain degree, scola is one of the guys who moves well without the ball, but his jimmy was money tonight. Also, we played a poor defensive team also. The really good defensive teams dont give up alot of uncontested shots from anywhere on the court. The best thing about this team is they can play well for a few games without tracy. If healthy, they still have a guy like Artest and yao along with wafer and battier when he comes back to makes some things happen.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Leeb,

    Imagine if there were 2 people that moved like Scola in the offense, such chaos, such freedom, such open looks for everyone.

    Ah....pinch me, I am dreaming.

    DD
     
  14. tcadriel

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    Tracy a bad fit? Who would have thought?
    Sometimes when there's something wrong and you can't quiet put your finger on it, it's "fools gold", don't buy it. I've felt this for a long time now. I wish Tracy had balls of steel, but he doesn't.

    When he's healthy and motivated he makes the team better. When he seems mentally weak and fragile he's a liability. There's enough fire power on this team I don't think we'd miss a beat without him. We'd probably have a few players step up and really pull together as a team.

    Fools Gold? Hmmmmn... :(
     
  15. agentkirb87

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    Are we trying to suggest that we are better without Tmac? Considering his injury situation right now you might be right in the short run, I think that is a ridiculous assertion in the long run. We know what McGrady is capable of doing, and he is playing under that level.

    And I know some of you might say "well, with his knee injury he might never be old Tmac again". Maybe he won't be 30 points a game Tmac, but he's had 3-4 games where he's shot 50% and was able to get to the basket. Then he'd follow it up with an 0-11 jumpshooting game. If the injury had ruined him he would be consistently below average instead of great one game and crap the next.
     
  16. badgerfan

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    It doesn't matter how talented he is. If he doesn't commit to the system he's going to end up being a liability rather than an asset.

    People have been talking for a while now about how the second unit plays Adelman's offense better than the first unit. After T-Mac went out it looked to me like the first unit did a pretty good job of running it as well.
     
  17. agentkirb87

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    He did fine last season with the offense. Plus, his skill set lends itself to playing well in this type of offense. Great passer, can post up small guys and drive around big guys (sometimes).

    I don't know if yesterdays game is a good comparison seeing how we shot better in the first half than we did in the 2nd. And sometimes its just about making the shot. Scola made his shots, Alston made his shots, Yao made his shots, Artest made his shots, as did Tmac before getting injured. If everyone made theirs in the first and just didn't in the 2nd you would say "damn, we need Tmac because our offense went to hell without him".
     
  18. mrfirefly7

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    Tmac doesn't like to cut or move when he doesn't have the ball on the offensive end. The movement starts from moving yourself, then there is going to be a space where other players can move to replace.

    Tmac is indeed a great passer, but he is unwillingness to run and move will hurt the offensive flow.
     
  19. Angkor Wat

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    T-Mac isn't healthy, simple as that.
     
  20. Doc Rocket

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    The absolute perfect description of TMAC - no hate, no opinion--just facts. DD - that IS EXACTLY what happens when he's in his 'waaahhh' mode.

    If you watch, you can see his shoulders drop and he'll turn to start going back before someone even shoots. He's just weak mentally and he sulks - no big deal - no hate - but it is true.
     

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