T-Mac and Francis never expected to be Teammates

If there in quote unquote win now mode they just might. Orlando is good but there one player away from being a serious contender. I think the bigger question is would we do the deal? We do loose player value by shipping off tmac but in return we get a good 20pt per game player who actually wants to be here and can play with out the ball. Rashard has been good this year but I dont think he is quite living up to the hefty contract he signed. So if Orlando thinks this trade would make them better they just may do it.

 

What are you talking about? Tmac showed no lack of effort in Toronto. He left as a free agent and Toronto was upset because they were left with just Vince (who really dogged it on them)

Tmac led ORL to the playoffs with no help 3 straight years, and they rewarded that with hiring a Jr Hockey Gm and signing Juwan Howard to his poison contract. Sure he played with alot less intensity, but with Tmac that was enough to get the scoring title. Yet and still, you're talking out of your butthole on this one.

 

HELL YEA!!!!!

 

I am making a statement on the state of the BBS; in case you haven't noticed, there are numerous threads bashing T-Mac, calling him out, calling him immature names, etc...it is really sad to see. And I can already see this thread turning into another one of those b/c people will and are using any little thing they can wrap their fingers around to twist it against T-Mac.

 

Yes, I have noticed. And I've noticed the seemingly equal amount, if not more, posts about hating the McGrady hate and it needing to stop. It seems like people use "any little thing they can wrap their fingers around to twist it against" those that are critical of McGrady.

But people will write what they will, just like I will. I don't "hate" for the hell of it. I try to back up my "hate" with legitimate evidence of what I see and notice during every game. Those that call out the "haters" have no rebuttal. They don't ever prove us wrong, or even try to.

So, the "hating" needs to stop? Please tell me why. Are we wrong about what we see?

 

Wheter it is justified or not is not my point. He got called out by Toronto fans for leaving for more money, instead of partnering up with Vince. The thought he was not dedicated to winning. I am not blaming t-mac for that. But thats just the fact. Ill agree that I didnt see Toronto calling him out for his effort.

Orlando is a different story. He admitted that he simply didnt feel like playing. You think Garnett wanted to play all those years in Minnesota? Prob not, but he still gave alot more effort then t-mac. Garnett felt wronged by upper management to, but did he just sit out games? And is there ever an excuse for playing with a lot less intensity?

Houston is calling him out to and I am starting to now as well. I am not alone in that. Huge fan of his, but not playing with effort is not going well-accepted by many rocket fans.

 

People need to give the "lack of effort" thing a rest. I don't care how talented you are, to play in the NBA you are going to be putting in effort unless you are 8 feet tall. To be a superstar in the NBA you are going to be working a lot harder than most people who criticize or question your effort. Tmac might not try as hard as someone like Kobe but that doesn't mean he isn't trying pretty damn hard.

 

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He has admitted himself that he's slacked off before in Orlando. If there comes a day where he admits to slacking while playing in houston, that will be a hard pill to swallow.

 

You're still off. Toronto fans didn't have a choice on whether or not he stayed in TOR. They should've told the coach to stop telling him he'd be out of the league in 2 years. He didn't quit or slack off in Toronto, and he left to play at home along side Grant Hill so please stop spewing garbage posts before you think.

In orlando he didn't say he didn't feel like playing, he said he didn't play with the same passion as before, and he won the freaking scoring title for a 2nd year. You don't do that by standing still.

Houston fans can call him on the things like the ankle incident as I did too, but there are just as many fickle fans here as well. Ride his jock in a win, hate him in a loss.

Double minded fans, even the whiners "im not watching the rockets ever again if he takes another jumper" but refuse to come to grips that this team is soft as diarrhea when he's not in the lineup.

 

I know it's just a dream, but I'd take a Lewis/Mcgrady trade in a hurry. The problem is Orlando has been down that road and IMO don't want to do it again.

 

I'm not defending the "hating," if there is any. (I don't keep track.) But I can say that I went to the T-Mac press conference when he came to Houston, I've paid hundreds if not thousands of dollars to see the T-Mac Rockets play, spent hundreds if not thousands of hours, and I am not as psyched about T-Mac as I was the first year he arrived in Houston. Now you can blame that on me if you want to. But I am paying money to see this team and all I want to do is love them. That's all I want to do. Somehow I'm not as psyched about T-Mac as I used to be. I do think it's mostly on him when a lot of fans who love the Rockets are having doubts about him. Oh sorry . . . I didn't mean to echo the "IT'S ON ME!" thing.

 

I think Lewis makes more than McGrady right now.. $20 million(?) a year?

If it were Lewis + Nelson, I might do trade. Not straight up for Lewis.

 

This is so true, it's so regular you can set your clock by it, names change but the b****ing never ends, warranted or not, last year JVG VSPAN and so one, this year SF3, T-Mac and on and on

 

Well, there doesn't need to be 100 new threads started about T-Mac everyday, questioning his heart, his desire, comparing him to other superstars, blah blah, blah. It just gets old and what's even more annoying are all those coming up with immature nicknames for him and acting like he is the ONLY reason this team is mired in mediocrity (this team was full of flaws from the start of the season but people have over hyped and put unachievable expectactions on them and now are blaming it all on T_mac when those flaws have been exposed and are not living up to those expectations). The season is 24 games old, t-mac was great in the first half of those (up until that elbow injury vs the Lakers) and just hasn't been the same since and got knicked up several times since then. I know you are not going to, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is injured and trying to play through it. If he sat out, you all would be calling him out too, so damm if he does, damm if he doesn't.

That's great, no ones telling you not too b/c T-Mac has his flaws (his strenghts are over and beyond his weaknesses though), but go ahead and call out MJ (zilch productivity besides maybe the first 2game of the season), Steve (shown nothing besides the Phoenix game), Bonzi (very inconsistent), Rafer (runs the offense but can't hit a shot to save his life), Chucky (misses/fumbles away at least 5-6 easy gimme layups a game), Battier (not making shots he has always made although improving), Yao (has his flaws as well but like T-Mac has many more positives than negatives).

Just be fair and don't be blinded by the past 4-5 games. T-Mac hasn't been bad all year, he's just having a bad stretch and I think it's largely b/c he is nursing several injuries that he is not making as a big deal about than they are.

I guess I am more fair minded and realize the season is a marathon and KNOW that the Rockets will be fine when all is said and done and will be among the top 5. So many of these teams with great records (besides the Spurs) will eventuall fizzle out and balance will be restored. Be patient.

 

Dude, you are typing, you can type:

If there in "win now mode" they just might...

You only say "quote unquote" or the "quotation hand signs" when you are talking

I'm just messin with ya

 

I agree and disagree with certain points you make. I've never said the losing is all his fault; I always say that there's other problems with the roster, and I point those out in other threads. However, if you haven't realized that this team goes as McGrady goes...after 3.5 years now...then you're kidding yourself. He's the best player. Everybody else follows the example he sets. If he's hurt and NOBODY else knows, fair enough...but the way he gets treated when he's "injured" suggests to me that I will disagree that he's playing through any injury. Come on, Keith Jones is by his side at the first sign of a runny nose with him. If there was something seriously wrong with him, there's no question in my mind that everybody would know about it. If he's really and truly hurt, he'd be pulled by Keith Jones. If he's really and trully hurt, I would not be calling him out and saying any differently. Otherwise, it seems like he over-exaggerates any little thing he can because he loves the attention he gets which strokes his ego. That's what I see. Disagree with me if you wish.

So if you interpret laziness, being disinterested and unmotivated as "playing through an injury"...I will agree to disagree with you. We've seen the same stuff from him since he's been here. I do however, give him the benefit of the doubt that he will start turn it up as the season goes along. I don't agree with that philosophy because when you make $20 million a year you should bring it every night, but that's how he seems to operate over the course of the season.

So, I am being fair minded. I call it like I see it. And how about this for ya....we beat Utah on the road because of McGrady. We also lost to Toronto because he shot us right of the game with missed jumpers early in the shot clock.

And the marathon argument is probably starting to run its course. The patience argument is starting to run its course. We're 10th in the West after more than a quarter of the season and a 6-1 start, and haven't really shown much improvement over that 6-11 span. Something's gotta give if this team is gonna go anywhere this season.

 

Again, ill agree that there were no effort issues that I saw him called out in Toronto. Ill also agree that this team is nowhere without him. However, he is capable of taking this team somewhere alot better than what he is currently doing.
For some reason you just can't handle the sentiment here that tracy mcgrady
does have a history of effort issues (self-admitted), and that rocket fans notice some efforts issue as well. Does that mean I don't think we need him? No, because honestly mcgrady playing at 70 percent of what hes capable is still a luxury to have in this league. If you think mcgrady doesn't have effort issues then...

whatever..just talking garbage right?

 

Guess we'll just agree to disagree but you made my point about the "immature" comments people make in paragraph when you say "Keith Jones is by his side at the first sign of a runny nose with him".

...And your signature says it all. Truth be told, no superstar in the league gives his all every single night with the exception of KG who has been doing it since his rookie season. My point is that you people who are whining and b****ing about t-mac and want him gone so badly are basing it on a few games, the dude has been stellar (with the exception of the back injury which was FOR REAL) since coming to Houston. Yeah it's frustrating that the Rox haven't gotten out of the first round but I'd rather have T-Mac on this team over most any other players AVAILABLE.

We'll just have to wait and see at the end of the season.

 

T-Mac is a great player, and will be no matter where he plays. I'm not so sure how correct my signature is anymore but I'm sticking with it. Everyone expected the team to do a lot better then this, especially with the way they came out the gate, but they've come down to earth.

The Rockets are in an adjustment period. They switched from a defensive guru to an offensive mastermind, on paper that looks like it should work. But offensive takes time to get used to. The team isn't even close to clicking on all cylinders but when it happens I still think we'll be a force to e reckoned with.

The season is still young, I'm sure we'll get it together so the key right now is patience. That being said if the salaries matched I would definitely do a T-Mac for Lewis and Nelson trade. I'm not all the keen on Rashard's max contract though.