OK, Now it's your turn. Show ME an accredited text book that says that Lincoln owned slaves. I think your wrong on this one... Did the Lincoln's ever own slaves? Answer No slaves were ever owned by any of the Lincoln Family. They did have hired help. http://www.abraham-lincoln.net/ Did Lincoln own slaves? Regardless of what you have heard, there is no truth to this assertion. Lincoln is sometimes confused with other presidents who did own slaves, such as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. Abe Lincoln Online Did Lincoln ever own slaves? No. "I have always hated slavery," he wrote in 1858. He lived his entire adult life to the time he was elected president in Indiana or Illinois, both free states. Lincoln Retirement on their namesake... Nine of the first twelve American Presidents were slaveholders. George Washington, the nation's first chief executive, probably held more black men, women, and children in lifetime bondage than any other president. When he died, he owned 317 African Americans who worked on his Mt. Vernon plantation in Virginia. Washington had personal reservations about the morality of slavery, but he never spoke a public word against it. The Marquis de Lafayette, the French general who had served in the American Revolution, twice approached Washington to help him devise a plan to end slavery, but Washington never responded. The most hypocritical slave-holding president was Thomas Jefferson. He wrote the ringing words of the Declaration of Independence, "All men are created equal," but he believed African Americans were inferior to whites. He is widely believed to have fathered at least one slave child by his black mistress Sally Hemings. President James K. Polk actually built slave quarters in the basement of the White House, and President Zackary Taylor kept 15 personal slaves in the White House attic. Presidents James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, William Henry Harrison, and John Tyler all owned slaves. During the administration of Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth president, the Civil War destroyed slavery, and thus the direct link between human servitude and the leadership of the world's greatest free society was brought to an end. http://archive.blackvoices.com/research/blackfacts/bl_fact_6.asp
Sorry coma for helping derail your thread, I think if we want to talk about slavery we need to go to the D&D. In reply to the original post, Yeah TEXAS RULES!!! My girlfriend's family is from North Carolina and they try to convince me NC is better than Texas but C'mon....C'mon!!!
"Juneteeth?" isn't that emancipation day? a great day to be sure, but i'm not sure why it's particularly texa-centric.
Juneteenth is the oldest known celebration commemorating the ending of slavery in the United States. Dating back to 1865, it was on June 19th that the Union soldiers, led by Major General Gordon Granger, landed at Galveston, Texas with news that the war had ended and that the enslaved were now free. Note that this was two and a half years after President Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation - which had become official January 1, 1863. The Emancipation Proclamation had little impact on the Texans due to the minimal number of Union troops to enforce the new Executive order. However, with the surrender of General Lee in April of 1865, and the arrival of General Granger’s regiment, the forces were finally strong enough to influence and overcome the resistance. Later attempts to explain this two and a half year delay in the receipt of this important news have yielded several versions that have been handed down through the years. Often told is the story of a messenger who was murdered on his way to Texas with the news of freedom. Another, is that the news was deliberately withheld by the enslavers to maintain the labor force on the plantations. And still another, is that federal troops actually waited for the slave owners to reap the benefits of one last cotton harvest before going to Texas to enforce the Emancipation Proclamation. All or none of them could be true. For whatever the reason, conditions in Texas remained status quo well beyond what was statutory. General Order Number 3 One of General Granger’s first orders of business was to read to the people of Texas, General Order Number 3 which began most significantly with: "The people of Texas are informed that in accordance with a Proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and free laborer." The reactions to this profound news ranged from pure shock to immediate jubilation. While many lingered to learn of this new employer to employee relationship, many left before these offers were completely off the lips of their former 'masters' - attesting to the varying conditions on the plantations and the realization of freedom. Even with nowhere to go, many felt that leaving the plantation would be their first grasp of freedom. North was a logical destination and for many it represented true freedom, while the desire to reach family members in neighboring states drove the some into Louisiana, Arkansas and Oklahoma. Settling into these new areas as free men and women brought on new realities and the challenges of establishing a heretofore non-existent status for black people in America. Recounting the memories of that great day in June of 1865 and its festivities would serve as motivation as well as a release from the growing pressures encountered in their new territory. The celebration of June 19th was coined "Juneteenth" and grew with more participation from descendants. The Juneteenth celebration was a time for reassuring each other, for praying and for gathering remaining family members. Juneteenth continued to be highly revered in Texas decades later, with many former slaves and descendants making an annual pilgrimage back to Galveston on this date. http://www.juneteenth.com/history.htm
Only "steers and queers" come from Texas. At least that's what my no-good New York friends tell me.... over... and over... and over... and over... But hey, most of them live on Long Island or Staten Island, so instead of showing anger, I just pity them. I mean, c'mon! Long Island?? I would seriously consider taking my own life before living there.
well, shut ma mouth! thanks mulder- i always assumed it was when news of the emancipation proclamation reached the south in general, rather than just texas.
Long Island sucks....there is no worse traffic on the planet. The Hamptons are beautiful but to get there is an absolute nightmare
Mulder: I misspoke on Lincoln owning slaves, but his writing "I've always hated slavery" in 1858 is a complete exaggeration. Slavery was, again, an aside victory of the Civil War. It certainly wasn't the focal point.
drive the hill country around Wimberley and Dripping Springs. beautiful area, especially some of the creeks and rivers you'll cross. Wimberely is gorgeous IMO. we'll do a little Texas Hill Country driving on really beautiful days. windows down, jamming some good, mellow rock (Widespread or good ol' Texas country), maybe a little pot . life doesn't get any better than that.
For some great reading on Texas, check out The Handbook of Texas Online. Also, you can read about the Republic of Texas and the circumstances and conditions under which Texas was annexed by the United States (VERY long read). Interesting tidbits: - England and France both signed treaties recognizing Texas independence. - the first president of the Republic of Texas was Sam Houston, with Mirabeau B. Lamar as vice-president. - According to the terms of annexation, Texas can divide herself into as many as four other states. Not five. -- droxford (native Texan & Houstonian)
Not to the South. I refer you to the Declarations of Secession by Texas, South Carolina, Mississippi and Georgia, which plainly make clear the focal point of the South was the threat posed by Lincoln and the Republican Party to the institution of Slavery.
What the hell is IRC zookeeper? OK, I meant that aboloshing Slavery was an aside. Lincoln wasn't trying to abolish slavery. He was pushed into it.
They were a Republic for around a month with Charles Fremont as the first President. That's why it says on the CA flag Republic of California
I was born and raised in Texas and lived in Charlotte. I am kicking myself for leaving and would go back in a heartbeat. NC is the ****.
