They only folded on the border issue, my bad, keep getting lost in the subdiscussions. The WMD issue is still up for discussion. Iraq may take a while to settle out: Lugar says five years may be minimum time commitment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84713,00.html They are a bunch of ingrates : Thanks for kicking out Hussein, now leave. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7115-2003Apr21.html But it may be due to stuff like this: We used cluster bombs, forgot where ( even though we now track where every single bomb goes), but the Iraqis will find the 30% unexploded ordnance one way or another. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...2apr22,1,4648806.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Also, where are all the increased terorrist acts because of our attack on Iraq? Where are they? Nowhere, that is where, you know why because a show of force ALWAYS works to quell the masses. Show of forces has really helped the Israelis out with the Palestinians.
Protecting our borders and way of life is not a democracy, it is the charge of our government. You don't like it ...tough. DD
The show of force works, the way of managing the population by terror doesn't. I do not condone the way Israel treats the palastinian situation, nor do I condone how the rest of the Arab world treats the palastinians. They can not be citizens in ANY arab country. Funny how they all want Israel to give up some land, and none of them offer any help other then cash to the families of suicide bombers. DD
Just goes to show ya that the Arabs also subscribe to the "force works" theory. They figure the only way to achieve what they want is to use force...its the way of the world people...get on the bandwagon, or we will force you to...
if it was about protecting your borders than i do not mind some force, but saying is scary to me. that is the way dictators think. if the mass thinks other than you do, just use force to let them see your way. the way the USA is using force to chance people's opinions is the way a dictator would do. first ask if other countrys agree, than if they do not agree, say they do not mean anything and stil go on with what you wanted to do. And if countrys really starting to show they do not agree just use force because force works wel to quell the mass. sure that is the way to have a good relationship with other country
Yep, that is what we are doing to France, Russia, Germany, China..etc..etc..etc.. What an over simplification on this issue..... The USA is not about taking out governments that don't agree with it, it is about protecting it's own citizens. The show of force refers to state sponsored terrorism. If a government does not sponser terrorism they have nothing to fear. Foreigners are afraid of the USA because of their own past transgressions. France, Germany, Italy, Russia etc..etc... have all tried to conquer the world, the USA has not...in fact we have won wars and given back the soverignty to the conquered people. All the USA wants is peace, and we are willing to fight to get it..... DD
I believe that almost 90% of Jordanian citizens are Palestinian. So they can be citizens of that Arab country.
we just do not agree on the last part. i respect your oppinion, but i really do feel like the USA is trying to conquer the world, just not in the old fasion way by war. but they do try to let every country do like they feel is right. and i do not like that. i also do not like the fact that the USA has been in war ever since Bush became president. i'm not anti USA. maybe i'm anti Bush. But i just do not like the way Bush has acted in the last couple of months. again i ask who decides if it is terorisme? the usa has suported saddam in the past. and more dictators. so who are bad dictatrs and who are good? who decides? if the awnser is USA than there is no democratie in the world, it is a dictatorship controlled by the USA
Everybody sing along! "ALL we are SAYin, Is give pax a chance! But IF its not OUR pax, We WILL kick your A$$!"
Terrorists are defined by their actions, any group that targest civilians is a terrorist group. Now, as for the US proping up dictators in the past, I totally think that is a blemish on our record, and the current admininstration has seen the error of that thinking. We used to just want status quo and to let the rest of the world fight it out...isoloationism has been the basic policy of the USA for most of it's existance, but with the new global economy and such, we can no longer sit back and be a target but we CAN be proactive in stopping terrorist groups from harming civilians everywhere in the world. Who decides, I think the USA decides on which organizations are a threat to the USA, and will take them out regardless of borders. If another country is harboring terrorists they have a lot to fear, if not, they are fine. DD
Actually this is incorrect. Jordan opened it's borders to the Palastinians in the 70s and thousands came across and immediatly tried to overthrow the King. Over 50,000 palastinians were killed, and the uprising was quelled and the borders closed. Why no outrage about that....oh, I remember, it was Arab on Arab and that is ok.... DD
I'm not talking about the 70's. Since it's inception Jordan has been predominantly Palestinian. I believe there was and has been outrage about the Palestinians killed in the conflict. Just as their has been by the oppression of Palestinians by Syria.
ok so any action intended against non civillians, isn't terorisme? in what way were the iraqi terorists? or wasn't that because of terorisme? about the USA deciding if the USA think a country can be a thread they should just be able to destroy the country? and if any other just has weapons to protect itself they are breaking the rules. Why should the USA be able to say: well Scr*w the rest of the world, we think they have weapons, so we are going to attack it. maybe because they are the strongest country in the world, but f that is the awnser than we are back to the first thing, They are conquering the world and they will have alot of enemys by doing so. Why should the USA have the right to USE mass destruction weapons, and other countrys aren't even alowed to HAVE the some weapons? why should the USA be any different from other countrys? Why should Israel be able to have those weapons, but Syria isn't? al i'm saying is that the USA is trying to control the world.
Arno, The USA is not trying to control the world at all. The USA should NOT be allowed to use WMD, no country should. Iraq was a country that supported terrorism agains the USA, we have a right under a treaty that IRAQ signed in 1991 to go in and continue the gulf war. We agreed to leave them in power if they met certain conditions, for 12 years they ignored their promises, so we had the right to start up the 1991 war. We are not running around the world telling people how to live, look at North Korea for instance, if China would get off it's A$$ and help deal with that situation the world will be better off. Actually the cultural barriers that seperated people are becomming more and more blury...especially with regular people being able to talk to other people via the internet etc.... All the USA wants is a safe and free world, where people have the right to chose their rulers, is that such a bad thing? DD
but the USA has used WMD. i also want a safe and free world. but i'm not so sure about the way Bush is trying to get one. So if the Iraqi chose to have a goverment controlled by the islamic faith you do not mind, and if the majority of the people in iraq want the USa out of there you think they should leave? on the part of the usa not running around telling people how to life, we just disagree on that fact. i believe they are doing that. but that is just MHO
Is that even relevant? It was over 50 years ago, and long before treaties were entered into to restrict their use.
For most of this country's history the idea has been that the best way to help bring democracy around the world has been to lead by example. I'm worried that now the idea seems to be to force it down another country's throat. Not only that, but to do limit and control the kind of democracy they have.
