Switzerland to vote on whether every citizen should receive $2800.00 a month income. USA next?

You were wrong. How hard is it to just acknowledge that and move on. You are twisting and turning and trying to redefine your argument, but the fact remains that you were wrong.

 

I dont like the "finders keepers losers weepers" approach to live as a way to light a fire against complacency. I dont think a have-not person is automatically complacent.

Its just that the money amout does matter and when its about a certain threshold I dont see it encouraging people to work. At the same time its short sighted and it will give a CURRENT low skill non hard worker a boost, but it doesnt mean the generation after it will turn into slackers. But it would just change definitions of what is "poor" and what isnt. Homeless guy poor would be gone, and in place its "c-student" in only 2 bedroom house instead of 4 thats considered low end.

Eh, cant shake off the thought that SOME are WORKING doing heavy lifting and producing and others arent. We just know that the winners arent that honorable either.

Sounding too practical I guess

I think the purpose for this big an idea is simply if it makes sense. Motivation or intent of undermining right wing logic and practices and a " try to stop us now" sentiment isnt really a good purpose.

 

My "argument" was "nope" and a link. I'll give you that I didn't take the time to explain it, but I was and am right. By the relevant measure on this topic, Switzerland is not "much, much richer" than the US. Individual assets are beside the point, as I've explained, and Gini coefficients aren't a measure of how "rich" a country is by any stretch. They measure income inequality.

 

bucket clutching at straws. Kid, it's okay. You tried to appear clever and embarrassed yourself. Deal with it.

 

You have yet to explain the relevance of accumulated individual wealth and Gini coefficients to the topic.

 

Once you acknowledge that you were wrong.

I said "Switzerland is richer per capita". You disputed that. You have been proven wrong, links and stats included.

Yet, you wiggle, twist, turn and don't acknowledge that your "Nope", as referring to my statement, was simply wrong.

It's just a fact.

 

I'm not disputing the data, but where is their "wealth per capita" coming from? Real estate? Wealth passed down over generations? It doesn't seem to jibe with their GDP per capita.

 

Removing the Tax cut ok that would work but don't change the military budget.

 

ATW now using bigtexxx's bluster technique of just claiming victory instead of actually winning the argument? I know you're always convinced that you truly are right, but at least let your argument do the talking instead of employing cheap rhetorical tricks.

 

Did you even understand the data? Apparently not.

 

One thing that probably contributes is that they have a much higher savings rate.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-SF-09-029/EN/KS-SF-09-029-EN.PDF

 

interesting. I suppose if that has persisted over time it could boost the wealth per capita number.

 

I haven't bothered to form an opinion on how Swiss wealth compares to US wealth. I am more interested in the honesty of discourse than who is right, ultimately. I think the D&D is great when people bring reasoned arguments, like you and bucket both started with, and takes a deep dive when people instead resort to rhetoric. I probably shouldn't have bothered to comment, but I was actually surprised to see you take a page from texxx's playbook.

 

I sensed what JV sensed, must say. I'm a last guy who does a "take sides" thing. I even just said "up-end right wing approach" isnt a way to go on this, and my views are NOT right wing.

When its a "I dominate you therefore you're invalid on everything" tone, the other side right or
wrong will come back with a form of resistance to that force and wont concede. There is informative talk on both sides there. Bit of hair splitting on the conclusion of if they make 20% more or 30% more (but then we wouldnt have sport player discussions without eye on particulars)

Anyway...I dont USA as next with citizen checks anytime soon. It would be in hold-up for a while maybe half the time as the mar1juana legalization issue.

I do think govt dividend checks are okay. Just not enough to live full a life off of, just partial subsidy. Rent subsidy or food & bills subsidy not both.

 

There are only a finite number of things in the world. This policy would not create one more. It would consume what was left and destroy people's savings.

 

First of all, Switzerland is not comparable in size, location, population, or politics to the United States. What works in Switzerland does not necessarily work in the U.S. Second of all, do you guys know anything about economics? Wage subsidies and minimum wage are price floors. They do not create jobs; they create a surplus of demand for jobs. In effect, they only help a small portion of the population while everyone else loses their job and their source of income. It only creates an increase in total surplus if the demand for income is elastic (large number of substitutes for American labor such as technology or overseas labor). If income demand is inelastic, it actually reduces income surplus. It creates government excess and extends the power of the government to near-socialist levels.