If a team 'takes' J-Will then that team can 'almot' name the 2nd player from Grizz. For example, Wms, Swift for DW, VB, and Mooch + Grizz #1 this year for Rox (protected) #1 next year = deal. Then Alexander can have the priviledge of buying out Wms contract. Is Swift worth that much $$$ (including buy out for expiring contracts? Not if it were my $$$!).
I speak of total potential teams able to get under the cap. Now some of those also have the 9-10 quality players that other teams want. If the Rockets had the ability to get an allstar caliber player (let's say Tracy McGrady) and we needed to cut salary to get to the right number - I would not think twice about cutting Jason Caffey, Anthony Mason, Tony Kukoc. And neither would the Bucks. But of course the Bucks will probably resign Redd instead of going after some other allstar. If Redd leaves Milwaukee then they would be able to farther under the cap and go after someone else's allstar.
Am I the only one who thinks this free agency crop is weak? Major current free agents I definitely believe will resign: Ray Allen Joe Johnson Zydrunas Ilgauskas Tyson Chandler Eddy Curry Those who have not exercised players option but will probably end up with their current team: Michael Redd Larry Hughes Cat Mobley Those who are highly likely to move Latrell Sprewell Shareef Abdur-Rahim Stromile Swift So I must alter my original number slightly I should have said between 8 and 11 potential free agents that deserve greater than MLE. But in the end only 2-4 will actually move. Spree and SAR need to move. Swift - Memphis has too many power forwards. He needs to move to get more playing time. players who may end up with some change but don't deserve it Bobby Simmons Donyell Marshall Antoine Walker Walker will stay with Boston if they want to keep him. Simmons - you never know what the Clippers are going to do. Marshall - Your guess is as good as mine. When was the last time Toronto had decent management? Consider them the Clippers of the NE.
Bob - Nothing personal but you're still just not getting the big picture. Renouncing all the players on your roster means you no longer have any of their Bird Rights and no MLE because once you go under the cap and choose to use the cap $ you lose your exceptions. Using your example, what guarantee do the Bucks have once they cut everyone that the All Star they have singled out will sign with them? Let's use specifics. The Bucks renounce everyone of their FA's except Redd whom they re-sign. Here's the simple math... Desmond Mason - 7.3m Calvin Booth - 6.4m (waived but still a cap hit) Joe Smith - 6.4m TJ Ford - 2.3m Mo Williams - 1.8m Reece Gaines - 1.3m Total - 24.4m Re-sign Redd @ 9.0m Total w/ Redd = 33.4m. Total player contracts = 6 Roster spots to fill = 6 Amount left on a $44m cap = 10.6m No MLE, no FA Bird Rights. Here's what your "renounce all FA's" decision has accomplished. You have ~$7m to throw at an All Star that you hope to sign and then hope you can sign 5 other players with your remaining ~3.6m. What I'm trying to explain to you without much success is that just because you see on some website that MIL has 33.4m in committed 2005-06 salaries, don't automatically assume they are big time FA players. There are significant risks in renouncing all of your FA's. If you still aren't convinced, give me your "13 teams" and I'll slice 'em for you just like I did the Bucks.
Let me go back to the original premise. We were discussing sign and trades. The question I would pose is If your a team under the cap like Milwaukee and you are going after Swift why do a sign and trade if you can just sign him? And you would do it before you resign anybody on the current roster unless by resigning their cap number would go down.
Tracy is a jump shooter and he is a good ball handler, probably this team's best. How did he thrive any more than he did in Orlando? Its his natural position.
In Orlando he didn't play a lick of defense. That won't work for JVG. He's still a mismatch on offense at SF, while having a better chance avoiding a mismatch (speed) on defense.
Correct me if im wrong, but dont you have to renounce or re-sign all your FA before you can actually go out there and sign a different teams FA. So dude, just give up, your wrong.
I'm gonna ask again. Name your 13 teams. The premise is, there are very few teams out there that legitimately have cap room to use. As you've shown, Milwaukee is under the cap. They're one example. Atlanta, New Orleans, and Charlotte also count. That's 4. I suppose you're going to name Seattle and Cleveland. Whatever. Who are your other 7?? Anyway, in theory, sure, Milwaukee could go after Swift. But the fact is, all signs point to they're not. They're going to be under the cap even after Redd, yet still you saw them make TWO moves at the trade deadline to alleviate salary (KVH and James). Further, they're a small market team. And they're extremely likely to be taking a PF in the draft (Bogut), and have a C they'd like to resign (Gadzuric) plus a pair of expensive backups (Smith and Booth) and another big man they'd like to keep (Pachulia). GATER- Redd hits the cap at 6 mill before signed, lowering your figure. However, you forgot about the #1 overall pick, which counts against the cap a little over $4 million before signed. This is assuming these portions of the CBA remain similar.
But the other FA from your roster are now talking to other teams. Maybe I'm wrong, but even though the team can both not renounce the rights to their FA and not sign them, while talking to other FAs in an attempt to get them to sign, then renounce their FAs right before signing whoever they are tageting, say Swift, your FAs are busy talking to other teams....meaning when Swift decides not to sign with you, you could be screwed...no?
Does early bird rights also give you the opportunity to sign a player back even if it will make you go above the cap?
