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Suspended license in Texas finally getting noticed.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Fatty FatBastard, Mar 14, 2007.

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  1. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

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    no....Matlock...

    I didn't pay the fine. I am currently on deferred adjudication. "Court costs" are now $100 just to take defensive driving. I guess I shouldn't get a ticket rather than complain about it.
     
    #41 MR. MEOWGI, Mar 14, 2007
  2. Kyakko

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    of you should've definately got a ticket, though i don't think it's right for you to pay for court fees enough though you disagree. my opinion is the only time anyone should pay for court operational cost are around April and frivilus lawsuits.
     
    #42 Kyakko, Mar 14, 2007
  3. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Preach on brotha! I'm on your side - Fatty is a freaking criminal - but you know what is the worse part? He got mad about getting the tickets and fines! I mean it's like, look - you are a criminal and got off easy! You should be in JAIL and not allowed to live among us law abiding citizens. Can't he see we are better then him?
     
    #43 Joshfast, Mar 14, 2007
  4. Fatty FatBastard

    Fatty FatBastard Member

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    I love how you are calling me a "whiner". Keep it up. And I actually posted the article stating how plenty of people find this as nothing more than a debtors prison, or a double taxation.

    Again, I guess you are stating that someone who runs a red light is less of a violator than a person who hasn't had their license renewed yet.

    Funny thing. Two years ago, it was the exact opposite.
     
    #44 Fatty FatBastard, Mar 14, 2007
  5. Fatty FatBastard

    Fatty FatBastard Member

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    If you are found "Not Guilty", there are no court costs associated.
     
    #45 Fatty FatBastard, Mar 14, 2007
  6. Rocket G

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    Fatty,

    For you to even HAVE your license suspended or revoked, you had to have done something bad enough to HAVE it revoked in the first place.

    Speeding (unless it's super-excessive) or running a red light are not bad enough to do that.

    What types of violations cause you to get it revoked/suspended? What offense did you commit to have that done to you in the first place?

    If the violation is egregious enough to cause your license to be take away like that, wtf is wrong with adding an extra fee/penalty to get it back?
     
    #46 Rocket G, Mar 14, 2007
  7. Rocket G

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    :rolleyes:

    Asinine. Perfect example of someone incapable of making an argument trying to get by with misplaced sarcasm.

    Anyway.

    Fatty can whine all he wants. I can b**** too when I get caught committing a traffic violation. That said, if I committed the freaking crime, I can't blame the state for calling me out on it, can I?

    How can you fault a state fee imposed for a offense based on ANOTHER offense that was so bad that it caused your license to be suspended or revoked!

    How can some of you put the burden on the state to keep you in the loop every time some new fee/penalty comes up.

    You want to drive? Read up on what you need to do to get/keep a license.

    Get your license suspended? Same thing or find an attorney who is not a lazy-ass, and will keep up with changes in the law. If he doesn't, take it out on his stupid ass, not the state.
     
    #47 Rocket G, Mar 14, 2007
  8. SamFisher

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    I read this thread when there were no replies.

    For the next few hours, I frantically searched online chat rooms for somebody would take my wager of my life savings on the chance this thread would morph into busybodies saying "well you have to obey the law, law breaker!!!!" with Fatty fat shooting back with his customary devil-may-care 'tood, guns blazing in true FFB style.
     
    #48 SamFisher, Mar 14, 2007
  9. armyman789

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    does the law include people that are driving without a license but have a permit. I am 15 and i only have a permit to drive not a license. i take my dads car out a lot whenever hes not home and im willing to pay the consequences(btw does someone know exactly what that is) of getting caught. Yeah Yeah i know what im doing is risky and dangerous but i make sure i drive responsibly because why would a cop pull u over if ur not breaking any laws. Plus i look like im at least 19 so physical attributes wouldnt count.
     
    #49 armyman789, Mar 14, 2007
  10. Fatty FatBastard

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    As I've stated multiply, my offense was not getting my license renewed on time. I received a ticket, paid the fine, and had my license renewed. And then all this stuff happened. And, yes, most lawyers had no idea about the surcharge except for it being placed on DWI offenders.

    Again, as stated, Legislature has passed several other things that get these surcharges placed on you.

    And once again, if I don't know about a fee, or refuse to pay it a warrant should be issued. Instead, the State realized it could make far more money this way.

    If you feel that having an expired license is an egregious violation, I'll again point out how you must feel about speeders. I suppose in your eyes, they should be hung.
     
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  11. codell

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    somehow I think that you would complain even moreso if you had been arrested and thrown in the tank instead of being subject to a surcharge
     
    #51 codell, Mar 14, 2007
  12. SamCassell

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    I don't appreciate your attitude or the implication that I'm a liar.

    As many people on this board know, I am an attorney, and have been for 6 years, an assistant district attorney in fact. In the recent past I've prosecuted well over a hundred driving while license suspended (or invalid) cases. When I was working in a county court (I now prosecute felonies), I dealt with those cases on a daily basis, often several in a day. So yes, I know quite a bit more than you do about them. And I read in your posts the same sense of entitlement that I hear from so many of the criminals who come into my courtroom. The law shouldn't apply to you, and the whole system must be set up against you to make you fail and persecute you, FFB. Clearly. The legislature who authored it was thinking only of grabbing the hard earned cash of you and your law-abiding-when-it-suits-you brethren.


    (Thanks for coming to my defense rimmy!)
     
    #52 SamCassell, Mar 14, 2007
  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes, that is pretty much the definition of the word criminal.
     
    #53 StupidMoniker, Mar 14, 2007
  14. Fatty FatBastard

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    Actually, the law was originally passed to keep habitual violators off the road by imposing a surcharge. It was meant for multiple DWI offenders, Multiple No Insurance offenders, and multiple DWLS offenses. That was how it was when it passed.

    Then the legislature decided to impose it on first time DWI offenders. Then they decided to use it on first time no insurance offenders and then first time (as if it makes a difference in this case) driving with license expired offenses.

    Again, if you feel this is a just surcharge and penalty for someone who hasn't had their license renewed yet (which until two years ago carried the same fine as driving with an expired inspection or registration sticker or a missing front license plate) then please justify your reasoning. I simply cannot, and I'm shocked that some people do.

    If that is your feeling, explain why driving with an expired license should carry a more severe penalty than someone who runs a red light, or speeds through a school zone.

    Also, please explain why even though this new set of surcharges were passed two years ago, why no courtroom divulges this information.

    Here's an even more personal question: Why don't you suggest they divulge it? After all, Texas just wants the surcharges, right? Certainly they wouldn't be trying to suspend people's licenses over this because that would impose more fines, and yet another surcharge, right? I mean, all it would take is a little slip of paper notifying the offender that he would have a surcharge imposed. Hmm? Why don't you suggest that?

    Nope. Not a money-grab at all. :rolleyes:

    I eagerly await your explanations.


    Oh, and BTW, a lot of people keep misconstruing how I had this happen. FOR THE LAST TIME, It was NOT for a DWI. It was for an expired license. I paid the fine, and had it renewed. I even got a reduced fine because it was renewed within 10 days.

    When I was pulled over roughly a year later, my license was suspended. I found out it was due to not paying a $28.50 surcharge fee. When I spoke to my Lawyer, he hadn't even heard of a surcharge for an expired license. It cost me 2 days in jail, and over $1,800 in fines.

    I called DPS immediately afterwards and asked what it would cost to clear it up in full. Not per year. All of it. Thought it was taken care of fully.

    6 months later, I had to pick my brother's car up or it would be towed. When I got there I found out my license was suspended again. Even though I had talked to that DPS lady beforehand.

    I called DPS again and asked what the hell was wrong with them and why they had resuspended my license. It was due to a new surcharge from having my license suspended for not paying the surcharge for driving with an expired license. Again, I paid it in full.

    These days, I literally call up DPS every month just to make sure. But in your eyes, I guess I deserve all of this for not renewing my license in a timely fashion.

    Again, SamCassell, justify how I was treated and how it was just.
     
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  15. orbb

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    Well, attorney, the issue is not wether they should be punished. Its the fact that the law is clearly predatory. TO me, this looks like politicians trying to raise funds and stay popular. Instead of raising taxes, they prey on "law breakers". As is obvious from the posts on this thread, they know most people will look the other way. Not to mention the fact that the people usually affected are low income earners with almost zero political clout.

    Maybe a $200 -$300 is a minor inconvenience for you. I assure you, this is a huge, huge deal for a lot of people. Texas is stealing money from its own citizens. Simple as that.
     
    #55 orbb, Mar 15, 2007
  16. Wangdoodle

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    Running a speed trap in downtown Houston and writing people tickets for going 45 in a 35 isn't saving anyone's life.

    And driving too slow (not too fast) is the number one cause of auto accidents (according to my defensive driving teacher from a few years ago).
     
    #56 Wangdoodle, Mar 15, 2007
  17. SamCassell

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    Actually, you're talking out of your ass. And the surcharges have been in place for 3 1/2 years. Your lawyer is an idiot for not knowing what the laws were, or he's trying to butter you up so that he can get more cash out of you. Are you using a criminal defense lawyer or somebody who has no idea about that area of the law?

    I don't owe you any justification. The laws are on the books and have been since September 03, and you are charged with knowledge of those laws. I'm sorry you got surcharged because you failured to know those laws (and failed to renew your license), but suck it up and deal. To the extent that surcharges are a money grab, big deal. I get surcharged every time I fly in an airplane, every time I stay at a hotel, every time I buy gas, every time I pay property taxes. I don't b**** and moan about those charges, even if I don't necessarily personally benefit from the taxes. I see real victims every day, people who've lost loved ones or have been seriously wounded or abused. I save my pity for them. I don't have any left for you.
     
    #57 SamCassell, Mar 15, 2007
  18. macalu

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    i think most people here already have a preconceived notion of what type of person FFB is just b/c of his earlier thread defending his DWI. i would encourage you guys to put away judgment for a second and really look at what he's trying to say, which is:

    it's not about the money, it's the principle.


    maybe, maybe no.
     
    #58 macalu, Mar 15, 2007
  19. rimbaud

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    How can he do either (to your satisfaction) when you know that he is lying so much?
     
    #59 rimbaud, Mar 15, 2007
  20. Rocket River

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    So making up laws for no other reason than to make money
    which it seems is more and more the reason than
    That is ok . . .

    It is easy to say . .well you break the law. . . you deserve what you get
    but
    it seems that it is slowly creeping into a place where the punishment
    is outpacing the crime

    Rocket River
     
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