Surprise! "Temporary" Fast-Food Ban in South L.A. Becomes Permanent

Should there be no regulations on the quality of food that fast food establishments put out?

 

Your brain is a regulatory mechanism, use it.

I have the ability to regulate what goes into my mouth, don't need anyone doing it for me.

 

Sometimes your brain's ability to regulate is manipulated.

24/7 commercials often targeted towards unaware youth, a restaurant on every corner, the toys that come with the happy meals, the laziness that comes with a regular fast food diet that makes you less motivated to cook your own meals, depression associated with obesity, the effect of endocrine disorders on the mind that have come on due to a high caloric/simple carb based diet that has destroyed the ability of the pancreas to properly regulate blood sugar, etc...

The fact that people are failing to make proper choices for themselves and their children is undeniable.

 

What a misinformed statement.

You are pitting the brain of an 18-19 yr old versus multi-billion dollar multi-national fast food companies with all their marketers and salespeople and advertisements and shrinks and researchers and everything?

Also, you do realize that there must be some degree of faith in the company because you can not possibly know everything there is to know about clothing, food, drugs, sun glasses, cars, motorcyles, etc enough to be the best regulator at all times?

All regulators do is act for the little people who would have no chance against the big people. No chance in hell. They achieve this by having experts in place who will try to provide clarity in the situation, and when they misbehave, punish them.

If you don't like the level of regulation, that's a fair point, but to say you don't need regulation at all is completely selfish of you. There are people in this world with no parents, no guidance, nothing. If you can't see that the fast food industry must now suffer the consequences of turning America into the fattest country in the world, you must be delusional. This problem won't be reversed without harsh measures, and will continue until these companies show customers the reality of their products. Once they are presenting their product fairly, then anyone with a brain can make a decision.

You can't be so deluded with this freedom fantasy that you have lost sight of the fact that these people are much smarter than you, much richer than you, more able to influence politics and way more motivated than you.

If you are the one dude who is completely knowledgeable about every product in the world and do not fall prey to their deception, good for you. But you're the exception, not the norm.

 

How is food regulation different from any other form of laws?

People are stupid and do stupid things.

 

Translation: Liar Mathloom thinks he knows better than you and wants to tell you what to do.

 

You've become a Fox News caricature. Mathloom's post is spot on. Not a single one of you knows exactly how much salt, sodium, fats, etc. you consume every day and how that's gone up or down over the last 20 years in the products you buy. Personal accountability in choice is applicable when the information is relatively simple and evident. When it comes to personally making choices on subjects where you are pitted against multi-billion dollar companies and all of the resources they have available to deceive you then you're just fooling yourself if you think you have control of those aspects of your life.

 

Just a zoning issue. I imagine MCWs do it anytime they don't want too many apartment complexes, low-end businesses or mass-transit in their gentrified neck of the woods. And they're not removing any current fast food restaurants, just limiting the construction of new ones.

 

Why would you even bother replying to someone who labels people as "Liar -Name-" ? Even 10 year old Afghanistan children can do better.

 

I'm starting to get some minor health issues associated with weight gain and eating bad. Make that eating terrible. I have now started to eat better, havent touched any junk food in weeks.

Within all my bad junk food eating - I KNEW EXACTLY what the HELL I was eating and digesting.

Every darn bit of it. As soon as I stopped eating bad, all of a sudden I saw all kinds of healthy alternatives (that I CHOSE to ignore) spring up out of nowhere. Blaming what I was doing to myself on the fast food industry is RIDICULOUS. MODERATION is the key. Everyone knows that, they just dont give a poop. We're all going to die of SOMETHING. We're already averaging 30 more years of life expectancy since 1900, some people don't want to be 90.

Its all the people people out there who've come down with some health ailment or have families members with them now trying to warn the world about the dangers of fast food cuz it "can happen to them". Then they'll start pushing their vegan ideologies on everybody. Then it'll be something else they'll advocate. Plus foodie snobs need someone to exert superiority over.

Now THAT SAID - there should be more healthy eating options out there. Need more food education. Yes, need more horror stories. Need to start advocating good health in every social living. Need to stop living "efficient". Need to stop companies from predatory practices (Where are you at on this, FDA?). And absolutely need to stop letting these food deserts happen, its absurd there's no real groceries stores in poor neighborhoods.

But I think banning fast food and bakeries and donut shops is NOT the way to do that. McDonald's will close down, but then someplace else like the local deli will find a way to make hamburgers. Are you going to order places to not serve hamburgers?

 

Exactly. People need to stop calling this a "ban" on fast food. No one is BANNING anything. You're not going to get arrested for eating a Big Mac. No one kicking owners out of their franchises and burning them to the ground. This is a restriction on the expansion of fast food establishments in the area. You still have every right to go out and purchase a hamburger, if you so choose (from the description, it seems like there are plenty of choices available). As long as it doesn't take away that right, I don't see this as any dirlfferent than any other instance where communities setup zoning restrictions based on community standards, such as restrictions of liquor stores, p*rn shops, and strip clubs. All legal activities, all available based on free choice, but all heavily zoned.

 

As I said, this a is a paternalistic argument, the 18-19 year old can be deceived and must be protected from making his own decisions, by force of law.

The 18-19 year old is influenced by many factors, the company being one of them. The company has a right to persuade, and competitors or health advocates have a right to dissuade. But the person must be free to choose.

It is up to the individual to decide who qualifies as an expert, whose judgment to trust. When you abdicate that to the state, you are giving up a substantial part of your free will to an institution whose standards and motives may not match your own.

You need not be an expert in a particular field. They exist already, and they need not be employees of the state (in fact, the state title of expertise may give the illusion of authority to someone whose knowledge and judgment are suspect).

For example:

It is selfish to impose a standard on someone, to deny them free will.

We only need self-regulation.

People are responsible for the choices they make.

If someone wants to be fat, not my problem, it's their life. If a company wants to sell unhealthy food, I can choose whether to buy it or not. Incidentally, it is possible to eat fast food and not get fat.

It's up to each of use to decide whether we are adequately informed to make a choice. If you aren't satisfied with a company's information, don't do business with them. But don't presume to impose your standard of information sharing on them.

It's important to note that you want the state to provide not merely persuasion or information (the benefit of that is debatable as well). No, you would not leave it at that, you would have the state make the decision as well, for all of us.

A law preventing me from hitting you or taking your stuff protects our free will. A law telling us what food we may eat inhibits our free will.

 

They aren't controlling what people eat. There are plenty of options for fast food already in the area.

California isn't killing or repressing anybody so mind your own business. Let California do what they want. If somebody brings this up in YOUR neck of the woods then I suggest you get out and protest. But since you didn't mention you live in this area, what impact does it have on YOU? I'd suggest it has NO impact on you whatsoever.

So stick to your conservative principals of govern locally and quit worrying about California.

 

Limited or localized, it's control all the same.

 

This is like watching a very mediocre student from a 3rd tier law school have socratic dialogue.

 

Let's do a quick personal responsibility test. Please tell me the ingredients in your daily shampoo. Thanks.

 

Well, that could be as west as to the beach of Torrance, as east as to Hancock Park, as north as to Beverly Hills/West wood, as south as Seal Beach.

 

The shampoo I use was recommended and tested by Consumer Reports.

But even without that, the sustained reputation of the brand speaks for itself, I have a reasonable expectation of quality control, and minimal risk.

A brand that makes people's hair fall out wouldn't last long.

 

Right, so you have given personal responsibility for your lifestyle to consumer reports for every item you consume? Every chemically treated item you purchase, you have gone to consumer reports to get the scoop on prior to buying it.... the milk you drink, the meats you buy, the vegetables you eat, etc. That sounds about right. You allegedly don't buy items from companies that don't have a sustained reputation which is interesting because if everyone did that, no company would ever get the chance to create a sustained reputation. You have an expectation for safety because the paternalistic government makes it so with regulation. Without it, companies would be free to deceive you with impunity.

 

SDS, water, some fragrance. What do I win?