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Surprise! Obamacare tax to hit 6 million Americans

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Sep 20, 2012.

  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    told ya so

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...v0Whbw?docId=48328c71af0241c39aef95fda77612f7

    Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people

    By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press – 14 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class.

    The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises.

    The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are 50 percent higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed. The earlier estimate found 4 million people would be affected in 2016, when the penalty is fully in effect.

    That's still only a sliver of the population, given that more than 150 million people currently are covered by employer plans. Nonetheless, in his first campaign for the White House, Obama pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000.

    And the budget office analysis found that nearly 80 percent of those who'll face the penalty would be making up to or less than five times the federal poverty level. Currently that would work out to $55,850 or less for an individual and $115,250 or less for a family of four.

    Average penalty: about $1,200 in 2016.

    "The bad news and broken promises from Obamacare just keep piling up," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, who wants to repeal the law.

    Starting in 2014, virtually every legal resident of the U.S. will be required to carry health insurance or face a tax penalty, with exemptions for financial hardship, religious objections and certain other circumstances. Most people will not have to worry about the requirement since they already have coverage through employers, government programs like Medicare or by buying their own policies.

    A spokeswoman for the Obama administration said 98 percent of Americans will not be affected by the tax penalty — and suggested that those who will be should face up to their civic responsibilities.

    "This (analysis) doesn't change the basic fact that the individual responsibility policy will only affect people who can afford health care but choose not to buy it," said Erin Shields Britt of the Health and Human Services Department. "We're no longer going to subsidize the care of those who can afford to buy insurance but make a choice not to buy it."

    The budget office said most of the increase in its estimate is due to changes in underlying projections about the economy, incorporating the effects of new federal legislation, as well as higher unemployment and lower wages.

    The Supreme Court upheld Obama's law as constitutional in a 5-4 decision this summer, finding that the insurance mandate and the tax penalty enforcing it fall within the power of Congress to impose taxes. The penalty will be collected by the IRS, just like taxes.

    The budget office said the penalty will raise $6.9 billion in 2016.

    The new law will also provide government aid to help middle-class and low-income households afford coverage, the financial carrot that balances out the penalty.

    Nonetheless, some people might still decide to remain uninsured because they object to government mandates or because they feel they would come out ahead financially even if they have to pay the penalty. Health insurance is expensive, with employer-provided family coverage averaging nearly $15,800 a year for a family and $4,300 for a single plan. Indeed, insurance industry experts say the federal penalty may be too low.

    The Supreme Court also allowed individual states to opt out of a major Medicaid expansion under the law. The Obama administration says it will exempt low-income people in states that opt out from having to comply with the insurance requirement.

    Many Republicans still regard the insurance mandate as unconstitutional and rue the day the Supreme Court upheld it.

    However, the idea for an individual insurance requirement comes from Republican health care plans in the 1990s.

    It's also a central element of the 2006 Massachusetts health care law signed by then-GOP Gov. Mitt Romney, now running against Obama and promising to repeal the federal law.

    Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul said Wednesday the new report is more evidence that Obama's law is a "costly disaster."

    "Even more of the middle-class families who President Obama promised would see no tax increase will in fact see a massive tax increase thanks to Obamacare," she said.

    Romney says insurance mandates should be up to each state. The approach seems to have worked well in Massachusetts, with virtually all residents covered and dwindling numbers opting to pay the penalty instead.
     
  2. durvasa

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    [rquoter]Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class.[/rquoter]


    What was the initial estimate?

    Edit: Needed to read on ... estimate was a projected 4 million in 2016.
     
  3. mc mark

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    This is not a tax. It is a penalty for not having insurance.

    And it's not a surprise, we all knew it was coming.

    next
     
  4. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The Supreme Court called it a tax.
     
  5. leroy

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    So now tex wants the government to subsidize the healthcare costs of those that can afford it?
     
  6. justtxyank

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    [​IMG]

    The problem in my mind isn't really the tax hit to people, it's the fact that the more people who simply refuse to buy and pay the penalty, the harder it will be for the plan to work the way it is supposed to.
     
  7. geeimsobored

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    No, 1 justice out of 9 called it a tax. The other 8 said it wasn't a tax.

    Furthermore who cares about the semantics of this. You can avoid this "tax" by getting health insurance which is generally how penalties work.
     
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  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Regardless if one or nine said it, it IS a tax. No ifs, ands, buts or "" about it, legally it is a tax.
     
  9. tallanvor

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    You can avoid income tax by having no job therefore income tax is not a tax. It's a penalty for working.
     
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  10. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    look at the liberals squirm!

    who didn't see this coming, serious. Obamacare has been a turd
     
  11. mc mark

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    It's now the law of the land.

    suck it up b****
     
  12. Baqui99

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    Good. Now they won't tie up ER.
     
  13. JayZ750

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    I don't understand this comment? First, you claimed it was a tax because the Supreme Court said it was. Someone responded that in reality, only 1 of 9 justices said so... so now your comment is "who cares what the Supreme Court said... it is what it is?"

    I agree that as a matter of semantics it doesn't matter a ton, but legally the difference certainly is important.

    And while the Supreme Court is the be-all decider of what things are or are not and what words mean, I think their opinion should be pretty important here, no? You thought so... at first.

    Yes, a program that has barely been implemented yet should be conclusively judged as a "turd" already. By that logic, Donatas Motiejunas should be inducted into the HOF already - did you see his summer league games!!!
     
  14. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    law of the land says it's a tax.

    suck it up b****.
     
  15. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    brilliant!

    liberals in meltdown
     
  16. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    So is Bigtexxx advocating for Universal Healthcare? Awesome, I wish obama had done that in the first place.
     
  17. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    I'm in a fantastic mood this morning! Some of the first fall weather hitting the city and it's beautiful!

    You seem kind of dishearten.
     
  18. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    How cute! tallanvor getting his (weak) jabs it.
     
  19. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    My point is that it IS a tax. My other point was that it does not matter if Roberts was the only one who said it was a tax - it legally is a tax. I wasn't the one who brought up that Roberts was the only one who said it. It doesn't matter. The outcome of the ruling is that it is a tax.
     
  20. hairyme

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    Sorry bigtexxx. I know you and your bleeding-heart friends want to hand out healthcare for free, but we on the other side think that should everyone should pay a share for the services that they receive.

    Pssh, you guys and your entitlements!
     
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