SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday

Beyond hypocritical considering the last administration.

Cheney's Energy Task force comes to mind, for starters.

Great Neil video. Thanks.

 

A nation is neither a household nor a business. While there are some parallels, a nation cannot and should not manage its affairs like a business or a household. That's not to say there are not legitimate areas for debate on debt, taxes, spending, etc., but let's do away with this ridiculous idea that somehow the United States of America can be managed with Quicken.

 

Your right, national debt, budget deficits, housing bubbles, none of these little issues have anything to do with fiscal responsibility. Printing and handing out more money is probably the best path forward.

I'm pretty sure that most people understand Quicken isn't the answer .

 

I'm going to start out by saying that I think the Republicans and their supporters crying "bloody murder" are being very hypocritical. The Republican led Congress was almost unprecedented in its use of majority power to ram bills through, write them in secret and stifle debate yet I don't recall many of those getting upset about that upset then.

That said I am dissapointed in the Democratic Congress not standing by their pledge to have the final bill available for public review for 48 hours before votes where taken. While Sam and Rimrocker are correct that most of this bill has already been debated in Congress and senators and representatives have staffs to digest the bill for them this was more to the benefit of the general public to get a chance to pour over this and express their approval or disapproval to their elected officials.

I understand we are in a crisis but I have a hard time buying that a two day wait for the particulars of this bill to be publically debated among wider society and for constituents to weigh in would've caused much harm.

Also considering previous complaints about the Republican Congress rushing things through many of the posters now supporting this should understand why fast legislation isn't necessarily good legislation.

 

The US government unlike you is Constitutionally empowered to print money.

 

I think the bigger mistake was not having the bill available when it was a House bill and a Senate bill. At this point, no changes can be made anyway, so it's up-or-down vote. I think the 48-hour rule is most useful at the stage where the bills are being molded in each house. And yeah, it was disappointing that it was ignored at that point as well.

 

I have this funny idea called macroeconomics.

It's not the same as microeconomics.

This is like saying "Look, I drive a car, if I drove my car the same way that a US Air Force Pilot flies his F-16, I'd be arrested!"

If you want to make a recession worse - cutting spending is a great way to do it.

 

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how inconvenient.

Truth.

 

You and rocketsjudoka and rimrocker all seem to think you are the only ones that understand economics.

I appologize that I didn't spell out everything I was trying to say well enough to keep you arrogant know it all's from treating me like an idiot.

I understand completely that the lack of spending = recesion.

I want a government that doesn't spend like idiots and I understand that this may not be they best time to cut spending but I don't think that it is too much to ask for some responsibility.

Now please get back on your arrogant condesending high horse and ride away.

 

The recession is not caused by lack of spending, sir. It's caused by spend more than what you produce and the people want to gain big without effort. The politicians are still trying to appease the stupid mass and nobody in the government dares to point that out to hurt somebody's ego.

The stimulus plan is suicidal in the long run. There are two solutions to the problem now, one is change your life style and save more(which will hurt the economy in the short term of course), the other is go to another war and default foreign debts.

 

Don't even bother trying. Republicans and Democrats are exactly alike. They are two separate sides that take the extreme opposite point of view, whether they believe it or not. Their politics are not about what is right for america, its about good old fashion American rivalry ... do whatever it takes to win.

Anyone with a bit of common sense and the willingness to make their own opinion can see the problems in America. You're exactly right. Not only is this stimulus bill a complete waste of resources, its detrimental to our future. America needs to quit living in debt. A bum on a street is financially better than many americans. We can either go through a depression or we can continuously go through these recession cycles. America needs to start flipping her own burgers and picking her own crops to survive.

 

You'll notice I didn't say that resession was "caused" by a lack of spending.

I agree with you. My family has significantly changed our lifestyle over the last 6 mos. I can't stand watching our government lead our country by showing everyone what not to do.

Our current President ran on "Change" but what we are seeing now is nothing but more of the same irresponsible spending. Our government does it just like our population does it. In that respect our elected officials seem to be a willing extension of the people, wasteful, ignorant, greedy, entitled, irresponsible.

Disgusting.

All we will see now is our liberal friends here post about how hypocritical we are and that the last administration did the same thing, which will solve nothing. My father always said "if your gonna be stupid you gotta be tough". Well, our country has been stupid for a long time but nobody wants to make the tough decisions and feel the pain of our irresponsibility. Quick and easy, sign a bill, debt spend, that's change you can believe in.

 

Not only is it not the best time - it's the most catastrophic possible time. Your statements make you seem pretty clueless in this field.

 

All of you who blindly follow either of these 2 parties are freaking sheep.

This bill is so full of crap and bloated that it is insane.

Vote them all out and start over.

 

Can you give some examples?

 

Common sense doesn't always triumph pseudo-intelligence. The plan is to quench thirst by drinking chronic poison. As the ultimate regulator, the government should have a strategic plan for the nation's development. Due to the voting cycle, most policies are doomed short-sighted. We'll see the country slip into a deeper ****ty hole gradually.

The government is still the b**** for the very rich in this country. It's time to change the psyche and culture now. Buying stuff you don't really need will not lead to happiness. Cultivate real intelligence. Stop treat "nerds" as sub-stream. Start efficient work and produce. Stop spending so much money on the damn defense.

 

Much like OddsOn's post, yours would hold more weight if at any point you've posted here about the $12 trillion in debt that Republican Presidents have racked up with the tax cut and spend your brains out philosophy that Reagan began. Another ironic position being taken by conservatives and Republicans whose very own political champion is attributed with the philosophy that deficits don't matter. Reagan started it all so lets put the blame where its due.

I don't see how $780 billion in government spending could not be considered to have an effect on the future of the economy. You'll have to explain how that is possible.

 

Well I don't claim to understand economics that much but I have read the US Constitution to know that you and not the government actually can print money.

Now if that is a good idea or not is a different matter but I don't think you can compare your own behavior to the government's.

 

You can, you just have to realize that you are comparing apples to submarines.