Surgeon general: No safe level of secondhand smoke

The only way to solve this is a relay race between those of us who feel it's a given is harmful to your health and those that don't. Nomar, Hayesstreet, and fattyfat can down a carton of the cigarettes of their choice (my treat) and then run a 3x400 against bnb, Master Baiter, and myself.

At the conclusion, the losing team will have to write a letter to the Surgeon General advising of ur findings.

Who's in?

 

I'm sure that is a perfectly valid risk I'm taking.

but in over 25 years of smoking...I have yet to have a medical problem caused by smoking.

Nor have I EVER had to depend on public medical services for any reason.

With that said....I dont particularly care wether or not a indoor smoking ban goes into effect in Houston...I've had to deal with one out here for the last few years.

And since I dont frequent bars anymore...It really has little effect on me.


One aspect of our ban out here I dont agree with.....the local tobacco/cigar shop can't even allow smoking in their establishment...eventho tobacco/smoking products are all they sell. If there was one place that should be allowed it is them....you dont go in that store unless you are a smoker...why in hell cant the store owner decide if it should or should not be allowed?

 

Yeah my dad smoked for 30 years with never one problem ever. Then he didn't wake up one day. Heart attack at 51 years old.

 

A quarter mile each? How about a 1 mile run. I'm always easily reachable, as this board can attest to. People see me out all the time. I'll race the 3x400 by myself against the three of you, if you want.

I'm sure you're out of the country, though.

Don't make silly bets you don't possibly plan on doing.

 

And my grandparents all lived past 70 and none died of smoke-related incidents. Hell my grandmother is 91, and smokes.

Point, please?

 

you think Im not well aware of these risks MB??

comeon now..dont act so all-mighty just cause you either werent dumb enough to start or were able to quit(whichever it is).

It doesnt make you a better person than me...maybe a little smarter....but certainly not better than me(which is the tone I get from your posts)

 

He's an ex-smoker. They all act like they're better.

 

oops...wanted to edit mine...but it is apparently off

I also want to mention...I wasnt disputing the health risks for smokers...I was making a point against texxxs common point that we smokers are a HUGE drain on the helthcare system...and are always using public funds to treat the problems we create for ourselves.


It may happen in some cases...but you can NOT say it is a given in every case.

 

oh no I have been WARNED.

Fatty I can't wait for race day, we are going to smoke you, no pun intended. We are going to let you be neck and neck till the anchor leg then the non smokers will simply find another gear and leave you in our dust. I will let you smoke during the race though in order to boost your magic Nicotine power, I am that confident that we will win the relay, and I have never even met bnb or Master Baiter.

 

Name the time and place.

 

Whenever, wherever. Of course our teammates have to agree.

 

I'm sorry if it sounds like that because I do not feel like I am better than anyone. I just think some of the "benefits of smoking" talk is silly. I apologize to anyone who feels I am being condescending.

Honestly, I can see where it would be irritating as a smoker to not be able to in a bar anymore. I also feel that the rights of non-smokers outweigh that convenience.

 

Oh, it can be just you and I.

It always surprises me that smoking = unhealthy, and non-smoking = healthy. I'm probably one of the more fit people on the board.

 

I've never smoked in my life. Ever. My dad smoked around me growing up and I absolutely hated it. Having asthma doesn't make help that either.

 

I don't think you understand, the significance of this race is to prove whether or not smoking is good or bad for your health, therefore we need a large sample size in order to give our report more credibility when we draw up our final reports for the Surgeon General.

 

if ex-smokers are hypocrites, then smokers are just plain STUBBORN...


its always about civil liberties, the right to smoke, the entitlement of choosing to light up anywhere they please...

its an uphill battle to prove that they can make a decision for themselves...

but the bottom line, and the point of this thread, is that secondhand smoke is hurting other people! thats not hard to comprehend, and if I am hypocrite, well than so be it...

 

I gave you a platform to show us how there are no positive effects of smoking. I even gave you an example to debunk. Yet you resort to merely restating your assertion. Wow, that's quality debate and discussion. I love how anything you can't answer becomes 'spin,' which ironically, is itself a prime example of 'spin.'

I'm sad for you if you surrender an argument because the mass perception is against your opinion. Maybe you should head back to the hangout.

That's the problem. You're not only letting your ignorance dictate an opinion but you're reveling in your ignorance. Congratulations.

THE APPEAL TO THE MASSES: One is commiting this fallacy when he tries to justify a belief or action by the support base behind that action. Saying that Christianity is the right religion because it has a billion followers is an appeal to the masses. As with other logical fallacies, there is no logic behind this, just ignorance.

http://www.daltonator.net/durandal/creationism/fallacies.shtml

 

What I love is my wife quit smoking twice, two pregnancies. Then she started smoking again after the babies were born. She smokes outside, but still, why start again if you already have quit?

 

So you will accept any statement or report from the Surgeon General as true?

Which doesn't prove anything but what has already been conceeded, that some smokers develop health problems. Further, it doesn't prove anything about ETS, nor does it deny that there are positive benefits to smoking.

Cigarette's don't just relieve stress from nicotine. There are also psychological triggers to stress relief from the practice as well as other pharmacological effects of the action. I'm not sure what 'get over it' is other than an uncalled for attitude. It certainly doesn't deny a simple physical benefit of smoking, now does it?

I said it is not harmful to everyone. Stating that it is harmful to anyone who smokes is absurd. Statements like that are precisely why risk thresholds are normally followed when determining whether or not something is a health hazard worth regulating. There are thousands of people who smoke who do not develop any adverse health problems. I can make it easy for you. Cite anything that says every person who smokes develops a health problem. It simply isn't true. And that is a far cry from the question of whether or not ETS causes health problems. There is a HUGE gap between being a full time smoker and breathing in mass dispersed smoke for a short period in a bar.

Well, MB I've very sorry about that, but it explains your fanaticism. Can you say for certain that it wasn't stress, weight, hereditary disease, diet, exposure to other chemicals that caused the heart problem? Honestly, you can't. And that's the problem with your 'common sense' argument.

The problem is that science just doesn't support your claim that ETS is hurting other people.


Sam,

I don't see any reason we can solve this on a basketball court. After all, we're brought together by basketball, right. You're perceived advantage will still be in place as we should wilt as the game goes on. Since you enjoy warnings though, don't bring that crap down in my lane.

 

That should be 'I don't see any reason we can't solve this on a basketball court.' The edit function seems to have disappeared. Not sure if that's my pc or what.