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Supreme Court rules for former coach in public school prayer case

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  1. Reeko

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    The Supreme Court ruled Monday that a former Washington state high school football coach had a right to pray on the field immediately after games, a decision that could lead to more acceptance of religious expression at public schools.

    The ruling was a victory for Joseph Kennedy, who claimed that the Bremerton School District violated his religious freedom by telling him he couldn’t pray so publicly after the games. The district said it was trying to avoid the appearance that the school was endorsing a religious point of view.

    In recent years, a more conservative Supreme Court has been inclined to view government actions it once considered to be neutral and necessary to maintain separation of church and state as hostile to religious expression.

    One issue in the case was whether the coach’s decision to pray in such a prominent place, on the 50-yard line, amounted to a private moment of giving thanks or a public demonstration of his religious faith that his players may have felt compelled to join.

    Kennedy urged the Supreme Court to find that he was acting on his own behalf, expressing his own religious views, not speaking as a mouthpiece for the school. But the school district said the students on the football team looked up to their coach and felt coerced into doing as he did.

    He became an assistant coach of the varsity football team at Bremerton High School in 2008 and later began offering a brief prayer on the field after games ended and the players and coaches met midfield to shake hands. The school district eventually told him he should find a private location to pray.


    But he declined and continued his practice of dropping to one knee and praying on the 50-yard line. He later invited journalists and a state legislator to watch. The district gave him a poor performance evaluation, and he did not apply to renew his contract after the 2015 football season. Kennedy sued, claiming violations of his right to free expression and religious freedom.

    Lower federal courts said that because he chose to say his prayers in such a prominent place, he was acting as a public employee and his conduct was therefore not protected by the First Amendment. Those rulings cited past Supreme Court decisions that said when public employees act in their official capacities, they are speaking more for the government than for themselves.

    Kennedy now lives in Florida but has said that if the Supreme Court ruled in his favor, he would return to Bremerton and seek to regain his job as a part-time football coach.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna31662
     
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    I don't really completely disagree with their ruling on this one but every 6-3 ruling is going to destroy the perception of the court which is sinking to historic lows at this point.
     
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    Can’t wait to see the church of satan praying at upcoming sports events.
     
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    We're seeing the Supreme Court continue to push the US towards being governed by religious doctrine.

    Schools should not allow religious functions on school property during student events.
     
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    The power of the unelected S. Ct. is undemocratic and has very little basis for legitimacy. It is another defect of our ancient Constituion which was an advancement over an unelected king calling the shots, but far short of modern democratic constitutions, including the ones we forced on the Germans and Japanese. To make matters worse Marbury Madison which allows the simple majority to nullify laws created by the democratically elected President and Congress. Speaking of Congress is a crime against democracy to allow Wyoming with something like a population of the West Side of Loop 610 to have equal say in placing S.Ct Justices to California with 75 times the population.

    This NYT editorial has some ideas on restoring some legitimacy.

    In addition the Founders were not Gods and the biggest defect is now the Constitution is essentially non amendable in any useful time frame.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/opinion/supreme-court-constitution.html
     
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    People praying doesn't bother me. My old school district held prayer during mandatory District functions, which is much more extreme than people praying in a group, even if it is at a school event.

    I just can't help wonder though if those same people at a school or on the Supreme Court would say NO if the one leading prayer at a school function wore a hijab or other type head scarf, and rolled out the prayer rug.
     
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    Fine with this. I hope to see some Muslim coach pull out a prayer rug after each game.
     
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    Time for Muslim prayers too, and Jewish prayers, and Hindu prayers, and Gnostic Prayers and Babylonian prayers....and Satanic Prayers...

    DD
     
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    I generally want to see one do this
    In fact one HAS To do this

    Rocket River
     
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    Their schools will just fine some other excuse to fire them.
     
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    I don’t have a problem with the decision and agree with it

    but as pointed out, they’ve now had their impartiality questioned
     
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    You mean every time the Cowboys take the field.
     
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    To be honest Supreme Court judges should be voted on by majority of the populace(no electoral college straight up vote) . Of course they should have a bare minimum requirement to qualify to run. Have a 20 year term limit. Each judge running will have a set campaign budget(funded by the federal government) as to have no special interest involvement and be given the same amount of air time on the radio and tv for advertisements.
     
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    Let's see what happens with the same school if a student walks up to the 50 yard line with a prayer rug and starts calling the Adhan. And let's see if that student can do that for every game without receiving backlash and ostracization.

    It'll be a nice social experiment test to see if these people truly care about religious freedom rather than the freedom to dominate their religion over others.
     
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    Do you think that same school would allow a student to walk up to the 50 yard line and start calling Adhan?
     
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    That is so true!
     
  19. Major

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    Students were already allowed to pray on their own (publicly or not). The issue with the coach doing is that they are a paid government employee.
     
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    gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the coach's preferred pronoun is "he" ;)
     

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