Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

It wasn’t the mother in that case, and I was wrong about the time. The baby gasped for air for four hours before dying—four hours of unnecessary suffering for the baby and her family.

In the case of the mother’s health risk, the state is the ultimate decider, not the doctor, causing women to suffer mentally and physically.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/health/texas-abortion-ban-infant-mortality-invs/index.html

 

The pro life party ladies and gents...

 

I appreciate you not trying to drag me down your rabbit hole of wrinkled ass reasoning.

 

They only care about the unborn. They aren’t pro-life. They’re pro control. Bunch of angry old men trying to impose their will on the world as they slowly watch their patriarchal privilege slip away.

 

I’m surprised you don’t have a nose bleed from up on your high horse.

I’m not immoral, heartless or selfish. I choose to fight for the rights of my daughter, sisters, nieces and all women. Those same women who want bodily autonomy are not immoral, heartless or selfish either. That’s just what you tell yourself to justify imposing your “morality” on others. Sorry old man their lives are not yours to rule.

I have compassion for the living, innocent or not. Termination of a pregnancy as a zygote or fetus, before the presence of brain activity doesn’t concern me. The termination of a pregnancy for any reason when the woman’s life is in danger is her choice. That hard decision a woman may have to make in her own life, about her own health, is not my decision to make… and it shouldn’t be yours either.

You would make a 12 year old child carry her rapist baby. You would deny a woman the right to terminate her pregnancy if her life was at risk. Thats some twisted morality.

I stand with the actual living breathing humans.

Nothing on the top row of the image is a viable human life outside its hosts body. Only 3 of the 5 on the second row potentially are.

 

You can teach Abstinence but it hasn’t been shown to work. If it did the there would never be such a thing as out of wedlock pregnancies but even in the most culturally conservative societies things like that continue to happen.

As mentioned before abortion rates were dropping even before Dobbs. What does appear to lead to that drop is sex education and availability of contraceptives. Better education and employment opportunities for women. In addition to that things like better healthcare for women and infants, paternity leave and childcare. Things that make it easier to raise children.

 

Again we can keep on talking past each other and I also understand why those on the “pro-life” side feel this is such a moral issue. Nearly all polling shows that a majority of the country supports legal abortion and even in very red states when given the opportunity that electorate will vote for legal abortion. Conservative state legislatures are literally taking anti democratic measures to keep their states from legalizing abortion.

This is why my advice to those who are concerned about abortion pushing legal bans isn’t the way to do it. Given how much it hardens positions we’ve already seen a political backlash towards them in the last year. I think there is a room for a middle ground regarding viability of the fetus as a cutoff and as noted other measures to reduce abortions.

If the pro-life side is determined to pursue legal bans and self righteous rhetoric I think it’s a long term political loser.

 

When did I say that?

Give time and nurturance they will all be born as human beings-- whether still or live. How can you possibly counter that?

You know more than half of these pregnancies terminated statistically are female... some protection!

 

Why do you slander just one side as being self-righteous? That strikes me as overtly biased. The urgency is because lives are being snuffed out yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

 

This has nothing to do with age: yours or mine. It's about respect for life. You know you have them by the short hairs when the counter arguments are framed in the most extreme examples, i.e. 12 YOs and rape victims. That, in and of itself, is acknowledging the horror.

 

I'm not sure how the opportunity for abortion would apply in that case. Surely that was a nightmare situation. I suppose the doctor is "bound" by the Hippocratic Oath .... "First, do no harm."

I'm in favor of euthanasia. The challenge is getting it on paper and into law in a way that it can't be distorted and abused.

 

Are you atop one of those Budweiser Clydesdales?! You do know there are pro-Life women... so stop being so absolute in your claims.

 

Are you atop one of those Budweiser Clydesdales?!

By the way, here are the Gallup polling numbers. Interesting how, with age, the attitude shifts with life experience and loss of impulsivity.

 

Or... outside the birth age. If you also look at the Gallup numbers, the trend is towards pro choice. And 51% believe abortion should be legal under any circumstance. Another 34% believe in certain circumstances. Only 13% believe it should be illegal in all circumstances.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

 

Sometimes you have to just plant your feet and be overrun.

 

You don't have to say it. Its the result of your vote. When you ban access to abortion you remove bodily autonomy take rights away from all women.

Now you're trolling again protecting the still born. You've got to be kidding me. Protecting the still born?

I have no interest in forcing any woman to carry an unviable fetus to term. Or criminalizing any woman who may have a miscarriage. Or forcing a rape victim to have an unwanted child. Or criminalizing doctors for providing the care their patients need. Or allowing states to access private health data of women to prevent them traveling for health care access.

 

You can make up a lot of ****, but you can't pretend that I voted for a single member of the Supreme Court.

Boy, you are a lunatic! I included that only because I anticipated that would be part of your comeback-- your God as Supreme Abortionist schtick.

I agree with SOME of this but I don't think you mean the part about "criminal miscarriage."
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A. No one votes for the Supreme Court… but I’m sure the politicians you voted for approve of the corrupt liars that were recently appointed.

B. God is the greatest killer of all time. He gives innocent children cancer, he kills zygotes, he flooded the entire planet killing everyone including women, children, and babies indiscriminately. God is GREAT… at killing.

C. If a woman is unfortunate enough to have a natural miscarriage (thanks loving god) she may have to prove she had no hand in it occurring or face criminal charges for aborting her baby (thanks to anti abortion laws passed by religious zealots)

OK boomer we’ve exhausted this. Have the day you deserve.

 

To what lies are you referring? You seem to be a professional baseless incriminator.

Your penchant for slandering is so great that you apply it to things you don't even believe exist. Must be exhausting...

Quite the imagination you have there: guilty until proven innocent. Not every pro-Lifer is a religious zealot -- ME for example -- but you'll keep sounding that alarm because it suits your disinformation purposes.

I'll stop when and if I feel like it. You are one bitter person yet you keep demonizing me... LOL.