Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

That's great! I would hope that you would start to participate in local GOP chapters and voice this opinion among other people who vote in their primaries. That's the type of grassroots action that could force the party to nominate candidates open to this and a more comprehensive definition of "life".

I said "rhetorically" and what I meant is that "pro life" politicians often use very emotional language when speaking about unborn children and the lengths the state should go to when it comes to protecting them. But these same politicians often dismiss policy proposals for things like universal healthcare by waving it away as "too expensive" or, even more cynically, "socialism".

The state has been Republican-dominated for almost 30 years now. That's more than enough time for the foster system to become worsened by a governing philosophy that shuns increased taxation and spending on social services. I'm also not an expert and agree that the problems are probably deep-seated, but I would guess that they're made worse by a miserly conservative approach to spending.

I wasn't referencing abortion, I was referencing the assertion that the state bears minimal responsibility for children it insisted be born if the child's parents can't or won't provide for them.

 

When your dad ejaculated inside your mom you were neither born nor alive.

Sorry you feel the need to control other people to this degree. Just another example of how you can scream "I'm not a conservative I'm a libertarian" but you're just a cuck for the GOP.

It's not your business, nor your life that is affected. You should learn to let others have the freedom you enjoy to live as they wish as long as it doesn't harm you. .Neither the government nor angry old men like yourself should have any say in a woman's reproductive and health decisions.

ONCE again It's not a child that is being killed.... its a group of reproducing cells dependent upon their host for life. Now if you want to talk about outlawing abortion at the the point a fetus can viably live outside the host without medical assistance then your argument would at least have scientific reasoning.

Upon conception, the zygote is created. It is not a living being. it is a parasitic clump of reproducing cells 100% dependent upon its host for life. Even a fetus can't be transplanted from one host to another because they're 100% dependent upon the host. If life began at conception an ectopic pregnancy could be surgically removed to protect the health of the mother and the zygote could be raised in the lab... but that can't happen... why? one might ask.... because despite having a fully formed DNA sequence it's not a viable human life without it's host.

 

Even Tarzan had to be adopted by apes to grow into manhood!

Newborns cannot survive without someone else's body being involved whether it's to carry them, cuddle them or nurse them.

You really only see as far as you want to, don't you? At least we admit to the seamy side of our pro-Life commitment: over-riding a choice.

You define your seamy side out of existence by reducing it to nothing of value-- a position on which you can never be certain.

 

Thanks for the laugh.

Once again you aren't Pro-life, you're pro-forced birth.

Your seamy side is over riding a medical choice that isn't yours to make.

My position is one in support of personal freedom for the living, to make their own decisions in their lives, especially when it comes to health and reproduction. I'll stand by that everyday.

A clump of cells in a woman, that I'm not involved with or related to, that could develop into a fetus and eventually a new born baby, is nothing of value to me personally. That is a position I can be certain of.

To the pregnant woman it could be a blessing or a death sentence. A position you can never be certain of. Stay out of other people's lives and medical decisions. They aren't yours to control.

 

But to further clarify... once that child is born we should provide a food, education and healthcare and good living conditions. I value the living.

 

We still wait for the first toaster or microwave to be born from the coupling of a man and a woman. Maybe it'll be a screw? Wouldn't that would be ironic?
Of those impossible outcomes, I'm absolutely certain. More certain than you, I daresay.

 

You also DEFINE the living with no certainty except that of your self-satisfaction.

 

OK Tarzan. I'm finished with you. Why can't you zelots stay out of peoples lives and hard decisions that don't affect you. Quit trying to control other people that aren't yours to control.

Wrong again. I prefer science.

The presence or absence of brain life truly defines the presence or absence of human life in the medical sense. When viewed in this way, human life may be seen as a continuous spectrum between the onset of brain life in utero (eight weeks gestation), until the occurrence of brain death. At any point human tissue or organ systems may be present, but without the presence of a functional human brain, these do not constitute a 'human being', at least in a medical sense.

 

Again I think we’re mostly talking past each other in this subject and when life begins I don’t think we’ll ever come to agreement. What matters now is the political debate and even though Roe was overturned many states will
Continue to have legal abortion and even Red States like KS and KY when residents are
Given the opportunity to vote in it still want legal abortion.

As noted a ban won’t do away with abortion it will just mean it’s underground and done in ways that likely are more dangerous. So a policy meant to save life could likely lead to maiming and even killing of women.

I still think if we want to end abortion we need to engage in things that will reduce the need for abortions.

 

We live in a collective not in a self-absorbed world. We have all kinds of things that we make concessions to. My concern is about someone else--the child.

 

What ideas have you got? Suggestions of abstinence have not been well-received.

 

Of course not, didn't you **** when you were young? Abstinence and pent up sexual frustration with a lack of sex-ed probably leads to more unwanted births than anything.

I'll leave it at this, it's easy to sing that "don't procreate" song when you're old and shriveled up.

 

Even if you believe in "life", there are cases where the death of a fetus could be seen as more merciful than allowing them to live. For example, a child gasping for air for 40 seconds before dying in front of their pleading mother for mercy, which is heartbreaking (as in a recent real court case in Texas).

Have you heard of Tithonus from Greek mythology? He was granted eternal life but not eternal youth. One can imagine the miserable outcome - living eternally but wasting away physically and mentally. This myth points to the very real and unfortunate unending suffering some individuals face, making death seem preferable to such a wretched prolonged life.

 

yes and the majority of the “collective” believe in a woman’s right to bodily autonomy. So kindly **** off and concern yourself with your own children and leave the difficult decisions to the individuals affected. A clump of cells that may or may not become a child should be of no concern of yours.

 

Correct, it was shortly thereafter, when the sperm combined with the ovum that I was formed into a new being.

To the degree of not killing other people? Most people are more than happy to have laws against killing other people. That is not at all anti-libertarian.

People killing other people is all of our business.

ONCE again, It is a child that is being killed. The child at this point is a group of reproducing cells dependent upon his mother for life. Now if you want to talk about not getting pregnant in the first place, then your argument would at least have scientific reasoning.

Correct.

Sorry, this is incorrect. It is in fact a living being.

Correct, though generally offspring are not considered parasites.

Being able to be transferred from one mother to another is not anyone's definition of a human life.

 

tell that to rapists

 

As I said earlier, I think situations where the mother's health is at risk, she should have that option ... but it needs to be real risk not some bullshit mental health claim just because she has regrets.

 

Testy now, huh!

You do know that a majority can be immoral or heartless or selfish, don't you?! I'd prefer a society with some heart and some compassion for the innocent.

 

What if it's the law; is that okay? Can I call someone a zealot now... MY TURN, MY TURN ...