Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

I'm happy to engage tough questions. I'm not happy to engage people who are derisive and condescending. Which now includes you. So if you want to engage, be a gentlemen.

 

It's antiquated because you don't realize that you believe women should suffer the consequences of unplanned sex and pregnancy but don't apply that same level of consequences to the other party here that is also responsible for the pregnancy. You think the woman deserves the pain and emotional trauma from a forced birth but the man doesn't.

We can be reasonable and agree on a compromise if you aren't coming from a "punish only women" angle. For any male who contributed to a unplanned pregnancy, IF you want abortion to be illegal so people suffer the same consequences, they should be put through a medical procedure that mimics the pain and trauma of birth.

 

If we are going to put more responsibility on the mother of a child, because they are the ones that birth the child - then we need to give them more say over what happens to the child, including, deciding if a fetus can be aborted.

 

There doesn't have to be. These are decisions people are making every day.

There is a cultural issue here as well and how we look at human sexuality. We, as a culture, don't revere self-discipline and denial when it comes to sex. We don't prioritize these things, we don't have good role models, our cultural influences don't explain why its important, even from a secular stand point, sexual ethics are massively important.

Nowadays, sexuality is thrown in our faces from a young age from every medium. Television, film, music, social media, web browsers, phones. p*rnography use and addiction is rampant. Casual sex is seen as the mark of a man. Do you or anyone else really think this is good for people? This has good fruits? This is good for women and children? This is what women really want?

 

Oh boy should I tell him @Nook ?

Should I because it might just make his entire narrative turn upside down.

You promise you won't go crazy because it seems like this premise of increasing promiscuity is really carrying a lot of your views on this matter.

Here it goes anyways:
https://www.insider.com/teens-less-casual-sex-generation-parents-did-2021-3

 

The female is the only party that can feel the physical effects of the pregnancy. I'm not sure what you're advocating. I don't advocate any type of simulated pain or torture of men who make women pregnant.

I don't agree with your characterization that I want to "punish" women - that's not how I view things and if you keep with this line of dialogue I will put you on ignore. I don't want anyone to suffer and this notion is mean spirited.

 

Just like most humans, women want agency. Full stop.

Yes that means the agency to feel bad about doing an abortion.

 

Yes, I know that younger people are having less sex these days. There are other cultural issues at work here. and dude, stop being an ******* or I'm going to put you on ignore.

 

Your rhetoric definitely implies that you want women to face consequences which implies you want them to go through the birth they caused implying you want them to endure the pain and trauma of it all because it will show them consequences.

That seems really convenient fora man to not face those extreme physical consequences and telling women they need to face them.

 

Many, in fact, do not want abortions to be legal.

Some do, some don't.

 

This has ALWAYS been the case in recorded Western culture and most cultures around the world.

People have sex, they have unprotected sex and they have sex out of wedlock.

Is what good for women and children? That as a society we are sexually active outside of marriage? Based on world history, I would argue that yes, it is arguably better for women as those cultures that are very restrictive sexually also tend to be very hard on women.

What I do know is having the option taken away from women ISN'T good for women. They have less options.

 

Only one party can become pregnant, only females can bear the effects of pregnancy. I don't want them to suffer the physical effects of pregnancy but that's just how pregnancy works.

 

Then yout rhetoric makes no sense.
If modern young women are having less teenage pregnancies and less unplanned pregnancies while you go rant about how the media has made sex so casual, then there is some disconnect here.

The only reason someone would rant about how the media has made sex so casual in he context of a discussion about unplanned pregnancies is them believing that the rate of unplanned pregnancies from young people are increasing.

What culture are you referring to? The culture of unplanned pregnancies is better today than when you were young. So why are you b****ing about the media?

Do you see how your narratives makes no sense?

 

You want them to endure the consequences. That is what your posts say man. We can read them. You can't delete posts here unless you edit out your entire post. But yes everyone here besides you is in agreement that you are asking for women to experience the consequences of an unplanned pregnancy.

 

Many people are pro-life in this country. They don't want women to "suffer" as you attempt to uncharitably insinuate. You do that because you don't discuss in good faith.

 

The majority of women believe that abortion should be legal.

Are there women that feel differently? Yes, but they do not make up the majority.

About 2/3's of women support the right to abortion in all or most cases........

The dynamics are even more skewed when adjusted for age.....

Among those 50 and under, about 2/3rds of all American's support the right to an abortion.

 

This only speaks to the absolute most recent generation. It doesn't not speak to all generations since the advent of the sexual revolution.

 

I understand the figures.

1/3rd is tens of millions of Americans.

 

I'm not referring to many people. YOU explicitly made the argument that women need to suffer the consequences. If you kept your arguments to the concept of sentience of life, you think we would be going down this path for a discussion? No, it's because you specifically said women ought to bear the consequences of their actions. You said that. There are many people who support pro-lifer positions who only stick to the "fetus life is valuable" argument and don't use the "women deserve the consequences" argument. You went there.

 

We are at the peak of sexualization in media. This generation grew up to Pornhub and YouJizz for God sakes. If there was an era where media would make a generation think sex is casual it would be this generation but that's not happening.