Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

Except how do you judge a situation where someone says “if you gamble and lose I’ll cover your losses” and then doesn’t.

 

Why wouldn't she be responsible? She made a decision to have sex. She was young and financially unstable. Pregnancy was a potential outcome. She trusted a skeeze. People lie all the time. It put her then in a position where she had to decide whether to have an abortion or bring the child up alone. That could have all been avoided had she simply not had sex.

Could that have happened within the confines of a marriage? Sure but I wouldn't consider that irresponsible.

 

Or be in a marriage, or if that's not your speed, a long term committed relationship and exercising your sexual faculties with the express end/goal of children or with the idea that if an accidental pregnancy does occur that's ok because you're in a good spot in life to take care of any child. That works too. It's pretty beautiful actually.

 

So how is she supposed to know ahead of time this person was a skeeze? I mean is she supposed to see the future or somehow have a sixth sense that tells her when someone is lying?

again this is why I questioned you whether you actually know someone who did have an abortion and what let them to it. You’re argument is based on an assumption that denies human nature.

Also the fact that you think being married is the answer to responsibility shows a gain a lack of knowledge. 50% of marriages in the US end up in divorce and if marriage was the answer we wouldn’t have things like “deadbeat dads.”

 

I feel like anal accomplishes both

 

no, in fact @HTM has never said a single word about religion. That's all you, Lou

 

It clearly is about religion.

 

that's you putting words in someone else's mouth

 

I assume you don’t have a problem with someone surgically eliminating the possibility of conception and just enjoying sex with a willing partner for its own sake?

 

That's not what the issue is at all and never said once he did say a single word about religion. So this is a very puzzling comment.

We're talking about his words around whether you should have sex or not, not religion. I recommend reading more closely before jumping in.

 

He's saying it deductively. Being anti-abortion is about your belief system. You don't have to say anything for that to be understood.

 

this is you defending his putting words in someone else's mouth

 

pretty sure I read things closely enough

 

Nonsense. You can be an athiest/agnostic and be anti-abortion. Plenty of people are.

 

Not asking her to see the future. I'm asking her to be responsible with the exercise of her sexual faculties.

Being young, financially unstable and having sex with some bf of some unknown length of time who merely promises, "I'll take care of you baby" = being irresponsible with your sexual faculties and it's no surprise your Ex ended up in a **** situation and her own poor decision to have sex under those circumstances contributed to her being in that position. She isn't free of responsibility, no matter how much you want her to be. She had agency.

Having sex when you're mature, financially stable, had appropriate time to discern marriage with this person and where someone swore marriage vows, usually before their family, friends, future spouse and for most people in the United States, a God they claim to believe in =/= irresponsible use of their sexual faculties. If you're jilted in that context, you weren't necessarily being irresponsible, you were simply ****ed over.

Additionally, a woman telling a man she is waiting for marriage is a pretty good "skeeze" screening process. POS's like your Ex's BF probably aren't going to go through all the trouble.

Marriage isn't a foolproof system but it's the best system we have. Is anyone arguing a marriage isn't the best and safest place for people to exercise their sexual faculties and to raise children? I would imagine most parents, secular or religious, would want their children to exercise their sexuality faculties within marriage because that it what's best for certainly the wife and children statistically. I would imagine that is what your parents would want for you, or you would want for your children.

You're using this statistic improperly. It doesn't tell us how many husbands **** off as soon as they find out their wife is pregnant. Which is the situation your Ex found herself in. I suspect that's a pretty low %. It doesn't tell us what percentage of divorces occur while children are still minors. These parameters are going to drop the percentages far lower.

 

Where in that sentence do I put words in his mouth?

 

You can be atheist/agnostic and have religious beliefs. Any kind of spirituality or belief system is a religion in terms of the first amendment. Atheism is a belief system.

But I don't believe for one moment that you are an atheist.

 

Note he is saying that even married people having sex is irresponsible if they don't want to have a kid.